Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations

["Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 3:41 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:

...

> > The example you are highlighlighting here was why I was earlier
> > suggesting for a rule that would allow something like this input:
> >
> > "A quotation ending with a period." [cite: @hoel-71-whole].
> >
> > ... where the second would be dropped, hence getting the expected output.
>
> This is interesting, but we might get false positives, as in the
> following (far-fetched) example
>
>   … the so-called "foobar". [cite/text: See @hoel-71-whole p. 42].
>
> which bites us because we need to process even non-note citations to
> remove the spurious punctuation while ignoring the necessity of a given
> punctuation character.

Yeah, I wasn't sure of the details.

> As another, imperfect, workaround, I submit the following idea for
> consideration:
>
>   "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole].
>   "A quotation ending with a period"[cite: @hoel-71-whole].
>
> IOW, the presence or absence of a space before the citation determines,
> according to a note rule, if the punctuation should go inside or outside
> the quotation. When processing non-note citations, we just need to
> ensure there is at least a space after the previous element, which is
> less "dangerous" than removing punctuation.
>
> I find it a bit too subtle, and so error-prone, but so is punctuation
> anyway.
>
> WDYT?

Just to confirm, Nicolas, your proposal would basically say the second
example would override the default punctuation-moving behavior for the
locale?

And for an in-text/author-date style, what would the output be with
that example?

I, someone who may have an "en-US" bias you could say, would expect:

 "A quotation ending with a period" (Hoel, 1971).

As in, the in-quote period would be dropped regardless, and therefore
a space would also need to be added.

Is that right Denis? It wouldn't make sense to do any of these; right?

 "A quotation ending with a period." (Hoel, 1971).
 "A quotation ending with a period." (Hoel, 1971)
 "A quotation ending with a period"(Hoel, 1971).
etc.

Bruce