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From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
To: Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org>,
	"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>,
	 Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 17:41:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF-FPGM2eTk=S3s7oQCP6mL-wvUvqhbEBRZu2PD9h_WVE_zNHA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zgvvtoay.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>

I'm not able to test this closely ATM, but a few things ...

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 5:39 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org> writes:
>
> > Yes, good this is coming.
>
> As a step forward, I rebased wip-cite-new branch with more support for
> note numbers handling.
>
> I added three customizable variables:
>
> - org-cite-adjust-note-numbers, which simply allows the user to toggle
>   punctuation and note number moving (on by default).
>
> - org-cite-note-rules, which defines what rules to apply according to
>   locale, expressed as a language tag, as in RFC 4646.
>
> - org-cite-punctuation-marks, which lists strings recognized as
>   punctuation in the process.
>
> `csl' and `basic' processors now both make use of this.
>
> I'd appreciate some feedback, in particular about the docstrings of the
> variables above. I focused on the "note numbers" topic instead of
> "punctuation" since I found the latter too generic.
>
> Also, there are some points that may need to be discussed:
>
> - I'm not sure about the `org-cite-punctuation-marks' variable being
>   global, i.e., not locale-specific.

One of the things I've wondered about, but cannot offer any expertise
on (really, I have no clue), is how this might work for languages like
Arabic or Mandarin.

> - There is no support for this in LaTeX-derived back-ends, because
>   I don't know when a citation is going to become a footnote. As
>   a reminder, there is no "\footcite" command in `biblatex' processor.
>   OTOH, users might prefer using a more advanced mechanism, e.g.,
>   csquotes.

So the upshot is if users want this functionality for LaTeX/PDF, they
should use oc-biblatex for that export target?

> - It doesn't do anything special in quote blocks, because I'm still not
>   sure there is something to do. AFAIU, special casing there only
>   applies to author-date location, which out of the scope of this code.

Here's the scenario I believe Denis was concerned about:

#+begin_quote
... block with citation at end. [cite:@doe]
#+end_quote

I think in standard author-year styles, we'd want:

... block with citation at end. (Doe, 2020)

... while in note-based and "US" (space removed):

... block with citation at end.[1]

Not sure if that has any practical import, but just to clarify.

Bruce


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-12 21:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-13 21:33 Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-13 22:14 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-13 23:21 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:31   ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 10:26   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-14 12:37     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:42 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 12:28   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 11:56   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-15 12:03     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 12:43       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 21:29     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-16 21:38       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 22:03         ` Denis Maier via General discussions about Org-mode.
2021-05-16 22:24           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-17  8:08             ` Denis Maier
2021-06-05 21:35               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-05 21:45                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-05 22:00                   ` Denis Maier
2021-06-12  9:39                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 21:41                       ` Bruce D'Arcus [this message]
2021-06-12 22:04                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 22:12                           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13  8:22                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 21:54                       ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:04                         ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13 22:23                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:47                             ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 11:45                               ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 11:51                                 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 23:37                                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 23:41                                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20  7:41                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-20 16:37                                     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20 17:17                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21  8:12                                     ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21  8:45                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21  9:49                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21 10:07                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 13:39 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-15 11:43   ` Nicolas Goaziou

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