From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <email@example.com>
To: Denis Maier <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
"Bruce D'Arcus" <email@example.com>,
Org Mode List <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 17:41:02 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF-FPGM2eTk=S3s7oQCP6mL-wvUvqhbEBRZu2PD9h_WVE_zNHA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
I'm not able to test this closely ATM, but a few things ...
On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 5:39 AM Nicolas Goaziou <email@example.com> wrote:
> Denis Maier <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
> > Yes, good this is coming.
> As a step forward, I rebased wip-cite-new branch with more support for
> note numbers handling.
> I added three customizable variables:
> - org-cite-adjust-note-numbers, which simply allows the user to toggle
> punctuation and note number moving (on by default).
> - org-cite-note-rules, which defines what rules to apply according to
> locale, expressed as a language tag, as in RFC 4646.
> - org-cite-punctuation-marks, which lists strings recognized as
> punctuation in the process.
> `csl' and `basic' processors now both make use of this.
> I'd appreciate some feedback, in particular about the docstrings of the
> variables above. I focused on the "note numbers" topic instead of
> "punctuation" since I found the latter too generic.
> Also, there are some points that may need to be discussed:
> - I'm not sure about the `org-cite-punctuation-marks' variable being
> global, i.e., not locale-specific.
One of the things I've wondered about, but cannot offer any expertise
on (really, I have no clue), is how this might work for languages like
Arabic or Mandarin.
> - There is no support for this in LaTeX-derived back-ends, because
> I don't know when a citation is going to become a footnote. As
> a reminder, there is no "\footcite" command in `biblatex' processor.
> OTOH, users might prefer using a more advanced mechanism, e.g.,
So the upshot is if users want this functionality for LaTeX/PDF, they
should use oc-biblatex for that export target?
> - It doesn't do anything special in quote blocks, because I'm still not
> sure there is something to do. AFAIU, special casing there only
> applies to author-date location, which out of the scope of this code.
Here's the scenario I believe Denis was concerned about:
... block with citation at end. [cite:@doe]
I think in standard author-year styles, we'd want:
... block with citation at end. (Doe, 2020)
... while in note-based and "US" (space removed):
... block with citation at end.
Not sure if that has any practical import, but just to clarify.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-06-12 21:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-05-13 21:33 [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-13 22:14 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-13 23:21 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14 8:31 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 10:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-14 12:37 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14 8:42 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 12:28 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 11:56 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-15 12:03 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 12:43 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 21:29 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-16 21:38 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 22:03 ` Denis Maier via General discussions about Org-mode.
2021-05-16 22:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-17 8:08 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-05 21:35 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-05 21:45 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-05 22:00 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-12 9:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 21:41 ` Bruce D'Arcus [this message]
2021-06-12 22:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 22:12 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13 8:22 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 21:54 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:04 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13 22:23 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:47 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 11:45 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 11:51 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 23:37 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 23:41 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20 7:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-20 16:37 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20 17:17 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21 8:12 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21 8:45 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21 9:49 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21 10:07 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 13:39 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-15 11:43 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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