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From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
Cc: Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org>
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 00:04:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsxmrb8n.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF-FPGM2eTk=S3s7oQCP6mL-wvUvqhbEBRZu2PD9h_WVE_zNHA@mail.gmail.com> (Bruce D'Arcus's message of "Sat, 12 Jun 2021 17:41:02 -0400")

Hello,

"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:

>> - I'm not sure about the `org-cite-punctuation-marks' variable being
>>   global, i.e., not locale-specific.
>
> One of the things I've wondered about, but cannot offer any expertise
> on (really, I have no clue), is how this might work for languages like
> Arabic or Mandarin.

Of course, different punctuation marks exist, so characters are at least
locale-dependant. But I don't know if the set is entirely determined by
the locale or if it also depends on the "style" of the document.

>> - There is no support for this in LaTeX-derived back-ends, because
>>   I don't know when a citation is going to become a footnote. As
>>   a reminder, there is no "\footcite" command in `biblatex' processor.
>>   OTOH, users might prefer using a more advanced mechanism, e.g.,
>>   csquotes.
>
> So the upshot is if users want this functionality for LaTeX/PDF, they
> should use oc-biblatex for that export target?

Actually, that's the opposite. I don't know if it is possible, or even
appropriate, to port that feature to `biblatex' and `natbib' processors.
So, ATM, if you want it, and target LaTeX/PDF, your only option is
`csl'.

>> - It doesn't do anything special in quote blocks, because I'm still not
>>   sure there is something to do. AFAIU, special casing there only
>>   applies to author-date location, which out of the scope of this code.
>
> Here's the scenario I believe Denis was concerned about:
>
> #+begin_quote
> ... block with citation at end. [cite:@doe]
> #+end_quote
>
> I think in standard author-year styles, we'd want:
>
> ... block with citation at end. (Doe, 2020)
>
> ... while in note-based and "US" (space removed):
>
> ... block with citation at end.[1]
>
> Not sure if that has any practical import, but just to clarify.

I understand this, but, AFAICT, this is the output we get already. So
I don't think there is anything to do.

Thank you for the feedback.

Regards,
-- 
Nicolas Goaziou


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-12 22:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-13 21:33 Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-13 22:14 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-13 23:21 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:31   ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 10:26   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-14 12:37     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:42 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 12:28   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 11:56   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-15 12:03     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 12:43       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 21:29     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-16 21:38       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 22:03         ` Denis Maier via General discussions about Org-mode.
2021-05-16 22:24           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-17  8:08             ` Denis Maier
2021-06-05 21:35               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-05 21:45                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-05 22:00                   ` Denis Maier
2021-06-12  9:39                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 21:41                       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-12 22:04                         ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2021-06-12 22:12                           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13  8:22                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 21:54                       ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:04                         ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13 22:23                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:47                             ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 11:45                               ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 11:51                                 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 23:37                                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 23:41                                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20  7:41                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-20 16:37                                     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20 17:17                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21  8:12                                     ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21  8:45                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21  9:49                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21 10:07                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 13:39 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-15 11:43   ` Nicolas Goaziou

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