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From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
Cc: Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 19:17:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0moihfe.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF-FPGP5QoKjeqSiPaG4fyEEDgUbV4aAMKGLNDqF0fJfPqigTg@mail.gmail.com> (Bruce D'Arcus's message of "Sun, 20 Jun 2021 12:37:39 -0400")

Hello,

"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 3:41 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:

>> As another, imperfect, workaround, I submit the following idea for
>> consideration:
>>
>>   "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole].
>>   "A quotation ending with a period"[cite: @hoel-71-whole].
>>
>> IOW, the presence or absence of a space before the citation determines,
>> according to a note rule, if the punctuation should go inside or outside
>> the quotation. When processing non-note citations, we just need to
>> ensure there is at least a space after the previous element, which is
>> less "dangerous" than removing punctuation.
>>
>> I find it a bit too subtle, and so error-prone, but so is punctuation
>> anyway.
>>
>> WDYT?
>
> Just to confirm, Nicolas, your proposal would basically say the second
> example would override the default punctuation-moving behavior for the
> locale?

No, this behaviour is still customizable. For example,
`org-cite-note-rules' would contain the following entry:

  ("fr" adaptive same before)

where `adaptive' means the proposal above.

OTOH, "en-us" would still be

  ("en-us" inside outside after)

where the space does not matter since the punctuation always goes
inside.

> And for an in-text/author-date style, what would the output be with
> that example?
>
> I, someone who may have an "en-US" bias you could say, would expect:
>
>  "A quotation ending with a period" (Hoel, 1971).
>
> As in, the in-quote period would be dropped regardless, and therefore
> a space would also need to be added.

In any non-note situation, we just make sure the citation is preceded by
a space, so the example would be equivalent to

  "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole].
  "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole].

without moving punctuation.

Does that make sense?

Regards,
-- 
Nicolas Goaziou


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-20 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-13 21:33 Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-13 22:14 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-13 23:21 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:31   ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 10:26   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-14 12:37     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:42 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 12:28   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 11:56   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-15 12:03     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 12:43       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 21:29     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-16 21:38       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 22:03         ` Denis Maier via General discussions about Org-mode.
2021-05-16 22:24           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-17  8:08             ` Denis Maier
2021-06-05 21:35               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-05 21:45                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-05 22:00                   ` Denis Maier
2021-06-12  9:39                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 21:41                       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-12 22:04                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 22:12                           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13  8:22                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 21:54                       ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:04                         ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13 22:23                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:47                             ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 11:45                               ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 11:51                                 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 23:37                                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 23:41                                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20  7:41                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-20 16:37                                     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20 17:17                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2021-06-21  8:12                                     ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21  8:45                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21  9:49                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21 10:07                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 13:39 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-15 11:43   ` Nicolas Goaziou

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