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From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
To: Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org>
Cc: Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 15:47:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF-FPGOJZXNg_+jOEtp71poxTVxJ9zjzxRfbchL1MhUtz1igCw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2009852882.89167.1623622988878@office.mailbox.org>

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I'll let you two sort it out; I don't have a position.

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 3:23 PM Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org> wrote:

>
> Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> hat am 14.06.2021 00:04 geschrieben:
>
>
> Nicolas explained the reverse is out of scope,
>
> IIRC, it was out of scope ATM.
>
> and gave a reasonable explanation why (because much harder to reconstruct
> missing information IIRC).
>
> That's where I disagree. I think the opposite is true.
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 2:54 PM Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org> wrote:
>
> Am 12.06.2021 um 11:39 schrieb Nicolas Goaziou:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org> writes:
> >
> >> Yes, good this is coming.
> >
> > As a step forward, I rebased wip-cite-new branch with more support for
> > note numbers handling.
> >
> > I added three customizable variables:
> >
> > - org-cite-adjust-note-numbers, which simply allows the user to toggle
> >    punctuation and note number moving (on by default).
> >
> > - org-cite-note-rules, which defines what rules to apply according to
> >    locale, expressed as a language tag, as in RFC 4646.
> >
> > - org-cite-punctuation-marks, which lists strings recognized as
> >    punctuation in the process.
> >
> > `csl' and `basic' processors now both make use of this.
> >
> > I'd appreciate some feedback, in particular about the docstrings of the
> > variables above. I focused on the "note numbers" topic instead of
> > "punctuation" since I found the latter too generic.
> >
> > Also, there are some points that may need to be discussed:
> >
> > - I'm not sure about the `org-cite-punctuation-marks' variable being
> >    global, i.e., not locale-specific.
> >
> > - There is no support for this in LaTeX-derived back-ends, because
> >    I don't know when a citation is going to become a footnote. As
> >    a reminder, there is no "\footcite" command in `biblatex' processor.
> >    OTOH, users might prefer using a more advanced mechanism, e.g.,
> >    csquotes.
> >
> > - It doesn't do anything special in quote blocks, because I'm still not
> >    sure there is something to do. AFAIU, special casing there only
> >    applies to author-date location, which out of the scope of this code.
> >
> > WDYT?
>
> Ok, I've managed to test this a bit, and I think this looks pretty good
> so far.
>
> The only question I'd still have is if this could somehow also cover the
> reverse situation (going from a note style to author-date). I've noticed
> that simply adding a new language rule doesn't work anymore---as opposed
> to my initial tests with earlier iterations of that mechanism. Seems
> like this mechanism is now only triggered when using a note based style.
>
> Best,
> Denis
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-13 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-13 21:33 Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-13 22:14 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-13 23:21 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:31   ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 10:26   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-14 12:37     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-14  8:42 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 12:28   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 11:56   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-15 12:03     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-15 12:43       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 21:29     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-16 21:38       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-16 22:03         ` Denis Maier via General discussions about Org-mode.
2021-05-16 22:24           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-17  8:08             ` Denis Maier
2021-06-05 21:35               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-05 21:45                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-05 22:00                   ` Denis Maier
2021-06-12  9:39                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 21:41                       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-12 22:04                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-12 22:12                           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13  8:22                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 21:54                       ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:04                         ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-13 22:23                           ` Denis Maier
2021-06-13 22:47                             ` Bruce D'Arcus [this message]
2021-06-14 11:45                               ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 11:51                                 ` Denis Maier
2021-06-14 23:37                                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-14 23:41                                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20  7:41                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-20 16:37                                     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-06-20 17:17                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21  8:12                                     ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21  8:45                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-06-21  9:49                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-06-21 10:07                                         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-14 13:39 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-15 11:43   ` Nicolas Goaziou

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