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From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Citations, continued
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:09:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pp9smbh0.fsf@gmx.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87wq40kyz3.fsf@berkeley.edu

Hi,

Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes:

> Hi Rasmus and all,
>
> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>
>> Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes:
>
>>> Within a citation, each reference to an individual work needs to be
>>> capable of containing:
>>>   1) a database key that references the cited work
>>>   2) prefix / pre-text
>>>   3) suffix / post-text
>>>   4) references to page/chapter/section/whatever numbers and ranges.
>>>      This is likely part of the prefix or suffix, but might be worth
>>>      parsing separately for localization or link-following behavior.
>>>   5) a way of indicating backend-agnostic formatting properties.
>>>      Examples of some properties users might want to specify are:
>>
>>>      - displaying only some fields (or suppressing some fields) from a
>>>        reference record (e.g., journal, date, author)
>>
>> Would this not be properties of the bibliography and not the citation?
>
> No, I mean things that can vary from one citation to the next -- like
> what you'd write in LaTeX as
>
> \citet{Doe99} once thought foo, but in his \citeyear{Doe2014}, he
> revises his position to bar.

Okay, I misunderstood you then.q I though you wanted something like
\AtEveryBibitem (of biblatex) which literally alters fields, e.g.:
\AtEveryBibitem{\clearfield{month}}.

>>> Citations as a whole also need:
>>>   6) [@6] a way of indicating formatting properties for specific export
>>>      backends.
>> I think the idea would be /not/ to have to consider specific backends.  If
>> you want special properties (say bold) for HTML could it not be solved by
>> a macro or a filter?  Probably I'm misunderstanding.
> [...]
> use a particular citation command for this citation, or the HTML backend
> to use/add a particular CSS class.  Maybe this could be done with macros
> or filters, but I think that would prove complicated for all but the
> simplest cases, since citations have argument structure that filters
> might not necessarily `see'.

I see.  It's possible via macros.  I don't have strong opinions on this.

>>>   8) a reference to a citation style or style file
>>
>> How does this work outside of LaTeX?
>
> Well, Pandoc for example processes citations using the citeproc-hs

It seems to use pandoc-citeproc which is based on citeproc-hs.

> implementation of the Citation Style Language, which is an XML format
> that allows describing how citations and bibliographies should be
> formatted.  Thus, for example, you could tell Pandoc to process your
> citations in APA style, or any of the other styles in this repo:
>
> https://www.zotero.org/styles
>
> CSL is an XML format, and I shudder to think about implementing it in
> Elisp, but that's how its done.  In fact, Pandoc uses this even for
> LaTeX output, rather than trying to map citations to the various \cite
> commands.

I wonder if Zotero can be used to format such citations.  It can do
something for rtf at least:

    https://www.zotero.org/support/rtf_scan

—Rasmus

-- 
A page of history is worth a volume of logic

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-02 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-31 18:26 Citations, continued Richard Lawrence
2015-01-31 18:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-01 22:07   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 13:52     ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 17:25       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 18:09         ` Rasmus [this message]
2015-02-02 15:45     ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-01 22:06 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02  1:41   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02  4:43     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 13:56       ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 18:11         ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 19:38           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 19:51           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 22:47             ` Rasmus
2015-02-03  0:54             ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-03  1:36               ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 14:17       ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 16:58       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 14:07   ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 13:51 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:09 ` Matt Price
2015-02-02 18:02 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 19:55   ` Rasmus
2015-02-03  1:56     ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03  2:08       ` Vikas Rawal
2015-02-03 10:55         ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 10:35         ` Julian M. Burgos
2015-02-04 16:34           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-03 10:35       ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 12:00         ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 16:27           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 17:25             ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03  3:58   ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03  4:41     ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03  7:30       ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 16:11         ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04  6:30           ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 12:06             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-04 16:45               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-06 10:27                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-06 22:41                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-07 22:43                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08  2:46                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08  9:46                         ` John Kitchin
2015-02-08 17:09                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 22:23                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-09  8:46                               ` e.fraga
2015-02-09 10:50                               ` Rasmus
2015-02-09 11:20                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 11:37                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  9:06                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 15:09                                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10  8:55                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10  9:22                                     ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  9:41                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:01                                         ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 15:32                                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10  1:50                                 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-09 17:46                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-09 20:13                                 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  1:32                                 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10  4:04                                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10  5:23                                     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10  6:20                                       ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-08  9:58                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:18                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 18:18                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08  9:28                       ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 10:18                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 10:50                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 12:36                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 13:40                               ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 16:11                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 10:02                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 17:02                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:29                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  1:54                                   ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10  8:49                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10  9:20                                       ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:05                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:36                                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:53                                           ` Andreas Leha
2015-02-10 15:03                                         ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 15:54                                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:14                                             ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 16:22                                         ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 16:44                                           ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11  2:07                                             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 10:19                                               ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 16:51                                                 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-13  2:31                                                   ` Matt Price
2015-02-11 10:47                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-11 11:32                                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:04                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11  2:10                                         ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-11  2:48                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11  3:53                                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-06 23:37                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-06 23:16                 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 17:44               ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 15:59             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 17:58               ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 19:24                 ` Richard Lawrence

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