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From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Citations, continued
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 10:28:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d25kpxap.fsf@pank.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87y4o9s5qc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> Using the example from Erik Hetzner in the same thread, what about:
>
>   1. [cite:@item1] says blah.
>   2. [cite:@item1: p. 30] says blah.

Why is "p." stripped here?

>   3. [cite:@item1: p. 30, with suffix] says blah.
>   4. [cite:@item1: -@item2 p. 30; see also @item3] says blah.

If item{1,2} have the same author biblatex[-chicago?] is smart enough to
compress it to "author (year1, year2)". So this example seems like a
downgrade if "-" is required to get the suggested output.

>   5. A citation group [cite:: see @item1 p. 34-35; also @item3 chap. 3].

Why is chap. *not* stripped here?

>   6. Another one [cite::see @item1 p. 34-35].
>   7. Citation with a suffix and locator [cite:: @item1 pp. 33, 35-37, and nowhere else].

Where does suffix and locator end here.  E.g. what is the output of

     [cite:: @item1 33, pp. 35-37, and nowhere else].

>   9. Citation with suffix only [cite:: @item1 and nowhere else].

How do I know this is a suffix?  Is locator a regexp like 
    \`[p\.0-9 ]+? 

What is [cite:@K s. 12] or [cite:@K side.? 12]?

>   10. Like a citation without author: [cite:: -@item1], and now Doe
>       with a locator [cite:: -@item2 p. 44].

>   2.   Doe (2005, 30) says blah.
>   5.   A citation group (see Doe 2005, 34–35; also Doe and Roe 2007, chap. 3).
>   7.   Citation with a suffix and locator (Doe 2005, 33, 35–37, and nowhere else).


> Note that space after the second colon is not mandatory. More
> explicitly, syntax would be either
>
>   [cite:IN-TEXT-KEY]
>
> or
>
>   [cite:IN-TEXT-KEY?:SPACE* CITATIONS]
>
> where CITATIONS is any number of
>
>   PREFIX? KEY SUFFIX? 
>
> separated with semi-colons.

What if I need several text cite keys.  Say @K{1,2} is the same author A,
and @K3 is B.  Then  [cite:@K1,@K2,@K3] should/could be something like 
A (Y1, Y2), and B (Y3).  How do I express this?

Some comments.

  1. Am I supposed to distinguish between a text citations and parenthesis
     citation based on a single ":"?  That's hard.  Why not distinguish
     based on the initial label?  E.g. {textcite, parentcite} or {citet,
     citep}.

  2. The idea of locator /and/ suffix is confusing.  The fact that your
     examples suggest seemingly random dropping of data from locator makes
     me want to avoid it even more.  It's a 'can of worms' to use a
     frequently emerging expression from this list.

  3. This is almost full circle.  The proposal above seems no better (and
     IMO worse) than e.g. the generalized links that Tom suggested, e.g.
     [TYPE: KEY :pre PRE :post SUF] or [TYPE: PRE @KEY POST]. 
     Or [[TYPE: KEY :pre PRE :post SUF]] or [[TYPE: PRE @KEY POST]].

  4. The reason for suggested syntax seems to be support some benchmark
     like A1 (Y1, Y2 also A2, Y3).  I have never come across a nested
     citation like this.  I have seen either (A1 Y1, Y2 and A2, Y3) or 
     A1 (Y1, Y2) and A2 (Y3). . .

  5. . . . Yet I still don't know how to get A1 (PRE Y2) with the above.
     Is the benchmark correct?

If parsing speed is key here I think that
[citet: pre1 @k1 post1; pre2 @k2 post2] and [citep: pre1 @k1 post1; pre2 @k2 post2]
are clearer solutions.  But this is clearly closer to a LaTeX than pandoc.

—Rasmus

-- 
Dung makes an excellent fertilizer

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-08  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-31 18:26 Citations, continued Richard Lawrence
2015-01-31 18:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-01 22:07   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 13:52     ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 17:25       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 18:09         ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:45     ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-01 22:06 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02  1:41   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02  4:43     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 13:56       ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 18:11         ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 19:38           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 19:51           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 22:47             ` Rasmus
2015-02-03  0:54             ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-03  1:36               ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 14:17       ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 16:58       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 14:07   ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 13:51 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:09 ` Matt Price
2015-02-02 18:02 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 19:55   ` Rasmus
2015-02-03  1:56     ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03  2:08       ` Vikas Rawal
2015-02-03 10:55         ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 10:35         ` Julian M. Burgos
2015-02-04 16:34           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-03 10:35       ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 12:00         ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 16:27           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 17:25             ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03  3:58   ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03  4:41     ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03  7:30       ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 16:11         ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04  6:30           ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 12:06             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-04 16:45               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-06 10:27                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-06 22:41                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-07 22:43                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08  2:46                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08  9:46                         ` John Kitchin
2015-02-08 17:09                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 22:23                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-09  8:46                               ` e.fraga
2015-02-09 10:50                               ` Rasmus
2015-02-09 11:20                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 11:37                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  9:06                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 15:09                                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10  8:55                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10  9:22                                     ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  9:41                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:01                                         ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 15:32                                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10  1:50                                 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-09 17:46                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-09 20:13                                 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  1:32                                 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10  4:04                                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10  5:23                                     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10  6:20                                       ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-08  9:58                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:18                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 18:18                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08  9:28                       ` Rasmus [this message]
2015-02-08 10:18                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 10:50                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 12:36                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 13:40                               ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 16:11                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 10:02                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 17:02                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:29                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-10  1:54                                   ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10  8:49                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10  9:20                                       ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:05                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:36                                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:53                                           ` Andreas Leha
2015-02-10 15:03                                         ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 15:54                                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:14                                             ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 16:22                                         ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 16:44                                           ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11  2:07                                             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 10:19                                               ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 16:51                                                 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-13  2:31                                                   ` Matt Price
2015-02-11 10:47                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-11 11:32                                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:04                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11  2:10                                         ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-11  2:48                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11  3:53                                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-06 23:37                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-06 23:16                 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 17:44               ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 15:59             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 17:58               ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 19:24                 ` Richard Lawrence

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