From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Citations, continued
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:36:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d25i12al.fsf@gmx.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87lhk6xese.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>> So, the (opinionated) useful defaults in biblatex are:
>> cite(s), parencite(s), footcite(s), texcite(s), fullcite,
>> footfullcite, nocite
>
> Isn't footcite/footfullcite a choice made at the document's level
> instead of per citation? If that's the case, it could go in a keyword,
> e.g.,
>
> #+LATEX_CITATION: :style footcite
I guess you'd distinguish between fullcite and footfullcite then? I have
only ever used fullcite for illustrative purposes, e.g. demonstrating the
citation style. And I guess footcite is an alternative to
{textcite, parencite}.
>> Citation types for extracting parts:
>> citeauthor, citetitle, citeyear, citedate, citeurl,
>
> Can't this be attached to the key, as a filter?
Do you mean an ox-filter here or the slash "/"? It's more complex and but
probably also prettier. "[@K/author]" looks nice. I haven't seen "/" in
bibtex keys.
In any case, an ox-filter is no good. You sometimes need it for
constructing sentences, e.g. I like to keep out the year when it's obvious
to ease reading::
A (Y) showed foo. Note that A assumed that ...
> Then what about
>
> [cite:command: common pre; pre1 @key1 post1; ... ; common post]
Could work.
> where command is anything matching is constituted of alphanumeric
> characters only (this is just a guess, a proper regexp is yet to be
> determined).
>
> LaTeX back-end will see "command" and less advanced back-ends "cite", so
> that the same document can be exported through multiple back-ends.
OK. But what if I want to use, say, my "genitive" citation, "A's (Y)", in
html? This is perhaps a question of whether we'll manage to find a tool
to handle this for us, or we'll have to do it lisp.
> However, this syntax doesn't handle in-text citation for other back-ends
> than LaTeX. Hence the [@key post] proposal, or even @key [post], which
> I find more elegant than
>
> [citet: ...] / [citep: ...]
So [@key post] is equivalent to [cite:default_command: @key post]. Does
it scale to an arbitrary length of keys, e.g. [@k1 post1; ⋯; @kN postN]?
Could [@: pre1 @k1 post1; ⋯; preN @kN postN] be used if you need prenotes?
Or only [cite:⋯].
Would you "expand" all short citations in the early ox parsing?
I don't care for "@key [post]"
>> The default bibtex.el style generates keys like "%A%y:%t", so I think ":"
>> is no good, appealing as it is.
>
> Then "/" (filter) or "|" (pipe).
Why do you write "filter" after the slash? Am I supposed to think about
ox-filters?
—Rasmus
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2015-01-31 18:26 Citations, continued Richard Lawrence
2015-01-31 18:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-01 22:07 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 13:52 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 17:25 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 18:09 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:45 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-01 22:06 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 1:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 4:43 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 13:56 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 18:11 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 19:38 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 19:51 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 22:47 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 0:54 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-03 1:36 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 14:17 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 16:58 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 14:07 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 13:51 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:09 ` Matt Price
2015-02-02 18:02 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 19:55 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 1:56 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 2:08 ` Vikas Rawal
2015-02-03 10:55 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 10:35 ` Julian M. Burgos
2015-02-04 16:34 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-03 10:35 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 12:00 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 16:27 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 17:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 3:58 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 4:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 7:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 16:11 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 6:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 12:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-04 16:45 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-06 10:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-06 22:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-07 22:43 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 2:46 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 9:46 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-08 17:09 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 22:23 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-09 8:46 ` e.fraga
2015-02-09 10:50 ` Rasmus
2015-02-09 11:20 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 11:37 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 9:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 15:09 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 9:22 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 9:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:01 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 15:32 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10 1:50 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-09 17:46 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-09 20:13 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 1:32 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 4:04 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 5:23 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 6:20 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-08 9:58 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:18 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 18:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 9:28 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 10:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 10:50 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 12:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 13:40 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 16:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 10:02 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 17:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:29 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 1:54 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 8:49 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 9:20 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:36 ` Rasmus [this message]
2015-02-10 10:53 ` Andreas Leha
2015-02-10 15:03 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 15:54 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:14 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 16:22 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 16:44 ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 2:07 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 10:19 ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 16:51 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-13 2:31 ` Matt Price
2015-02-11 10:47 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-11 11:32 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:04 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 2:10 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-11 2:48 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 3:53 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-06 23:37 ` Rasmus
2015-02-06 23:16 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 17:44 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 15:59 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 17:58 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 19:24 ` Richard Lawrence
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