From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Citations, continued
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 17:11:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874mqws7rd.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h9uwwmgt.fsf@gmx.us> (rasmus@gmx.us's message of "Sun, 08 Feb 2015 14:40:18 +0100")
Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
> In that case I prefer the explicit extraction of keys below, since I don't
> understand why [-@k1] is invalid ("in her seminal -@k @k:journal article,
> @k:author demonstrated that ⋯"). Probably I don't understand pandoc well
> enough...
In the initial suggestion @k:journal or @k:author was not possible. In
pandoc, AFAIU, in-text means author is outside parenthesis. Nothing
fancier. So [-@k1] would mean: "author" is outside parenthesis, but
should not be displayed anyway.
> It seemed to be the main characteristics of this "locator" that you all
> were talking about...
See, you are talking again about locator...
> Of course not. That would be idiotic. But I would rather try to imitate
> the state-of-the-art, which in my book is biblatex, not pandocs.
I'm sure biblatex is powerful, but it's clearly not the state-of-the-art
in readability, and I guess only `latex' would support its features.
Really my concerns are about parsing speed and readability within the
document. Heavy biblatex users will eventually have to fall-back to
LaTeX-specific syntax at some point anyway.
>> If extracting data from an entry is required, then I suggest to extend
>> key syntax, e.g.:
>>
>> @K1:year
>
> Extracting from a plist-like thingy is easy.
I don't understand.
> What is hard is proper formatting of things like author, e.g. how many
> author to include, adding "and" etc. It would be amazing to let TOOL
> handle this! Unfortunately, good TOOL is scare outside of the
> latex-world (maybe Zotero? I don't know how commandline friend it is).
In any case, this is not the job of Org. At the moment, the goal is to
find a readable syntax that allows to present citation information to
external processors (biblatex, zotero...).
>> I understand, but would it be needed to have both A (Y, C) and A (B, Y)
>> in the same document?
>
> Sure, why not?
I don't know. Pandoc doesn't allow it, and, apparently, nobody
complained enough to add this feature to Pandoc citations. So, either it
is not that useful, or Pandoc citations are hardly used.
>> [pre @k1 post] is slower to parse.
>
> Is that because you'd have to check all occurrences or [⋯]?
Correct.
Also, it is ambiguous with link syntax (e.g., if pre begin with "[") and
footnotes syntax.
>> I haven't much against @k1, but it introduces more false positives than
>> [@k1].
>
> It could check if k1 is a known key and interpret "@k1" accordingly.
No it couldn't. Org doesn't know about keys. Or, more precisely, syntax
mustn't depend on known keys. I don't want to make the same mistake as
export blocks (i.e., #+begin_html doesn't mean the same thing if
"ox-html" is loaded or not).
@k1, for some subset of chars within k1, would always be parsed a key,
valid or not. Again, this is not particularly wrong, but it may
introduce false positive from time to time. However, in these cases, we
could use entities to escape "@" from the key.
Regards,
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Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-31 18:26 Citations, continued Richard Lawrence
2015-01-31 18:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-01 22:07 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 13:52 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 17:25 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 18:09 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:45 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-01 22:06 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 1:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 4:43 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 13:56 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 18:11 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-02 19:38 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 19:51 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 22:47 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 0:54 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-03 1:36 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-02 14:17 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 16:58 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 14:07 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 13:51 ` Rasmus
2015-02-02 15:09 ` Matt Price
2015-02-02 18:02 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-02 19:55 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 1:56 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 2:08 ` Vikas Rawal
2015-02-03 10:55 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 10:35 ` Julian M. Burgos
2015-02-04 16:34 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-03 10:35 ` Rasmus
2015-02-03 12:00 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 16:27 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 17:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-03 3:58 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 4:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-03 7:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-03 16:11 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 6:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 12:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-04 16:45 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-06 10:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-06 22:41 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-07 22:43 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 2:46 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 9:46 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-08 17:09 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 22:23 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-09 8:46 ` e.fraga
2015-02-09 10:50 ` Rasmus
2015-02-09 11:20 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 11:37 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 9:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-09 15:09 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 9:22 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 9:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:01 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 15:32 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-10 1:50 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-09 17:46 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-09 20:13 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 1:32 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 4:04 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 5:23 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 6:20 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-08 9:58 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:18 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-08 18:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 9:28 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 10:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 10:50 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 12:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 13:40 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 16:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2015-02-09 10:02 ` Rasmus
2015-02-08 17:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-08 17:29 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 1:54 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 8:49 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 9:20 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-10 10:36 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 10:53 ` Andreas Leha
2015-02-10 15:03 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 15:54 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:14 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-10 16:22 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-10 16:44 ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 2:07 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 10:19 ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-11 16:51 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-13 2:31 ` Matt Price
2015-02-11 10:47 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-11 11:32 ` Rasmus
2015-02-10 16:04 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 2:10 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-11 2:48 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-11 3:53 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-06 23:37 ` Rasmus
2015-02-06 23:16 ` Rasmus
2015-02-04 17:44 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 15:59 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-04 17:58 ` Erik Hetzner
2015-02-04 19:24 ` Richard Lawrence
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