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* Unable to clock in on task
@ 2009-10-26 19:32 Keith Lancaster
  2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
  2009-10-27  9:59 ` Phil Rooke
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Keith Lancaster @ 2009-10-26 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org Mode List

I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on tasks.  
At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling clock- 
in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the  
dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.  
I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,  
emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing  
that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be  
sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on  
emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.

Thanks,
Keith Lancaster
klancaster1957@acm.org

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-26 19:32 Unable to clock in on task Keith Lancaster
@ 2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
  2009-10-26 21:56   ` Bernt Hansen
  2009-10-27  9:59 ` Phil Rooke
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2009-10-26 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Keith Lancaster; +Cc: Org Mode List

Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:

> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> tasks. At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling
> clock- 
> in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the
> dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.
> I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,
> emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing
> that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be
> sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on
> emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.
> 

The culprit must be the "emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard" part.
It works fine (in the sense that "it does not lead to emacs crashes") on
Linux:

   Org-mode version 6.32 (release_6.32.8.g9077)
   GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2009-10-13 on gamaville.dokosmarshall.org

I don't clock much (maybe one of these years, when I find the time...
the usual excuse of the procrastinator :-), so I'm not sure how things
are supposed to work. I tried to clock in a task from the agenda (using
I), I get a "dangling clock" message, I select cancel and everything is
fine.  I then clock out and the clock gets updated appropriately. I then
clock in again and get another dangling clock warning (with ~120000 mins
on it).  After doing it a few times on a couple of different items, I
don't get the dangling messages any more either. I guess all the clocks I had
started way back when, when I was playing with clocks, and had not closed,
were found, dealt with, and now I'm all set - maybe.

If anything is really wrong, I'm sure we'll get an earful when Bernt
(aka the king of clocking) upgrades !-)

As for turning things off, the following two (excerpted from org-clock.el)
might help (untested):

,----
| ...
| (defcustom org-clock-idle-time nil
|   "When non-nil, resolve open clocks if the user is idle more than X minutes."
|   :group 'org-clock
|   :type '(choice
| 	  (const :tag "Never" nil)
| 	  (integer :tag "After N minutes")))
| 
| (defcustom org-clock-auto-clock-resolution 'when-no-clock-is-running
|   "When to automatically resolve open clocks found in Org buffers."
|   :group 'org-clock
|   :type '(choice
| 	  (const :tag "Never" nil)
| 	  (const :tag "Always" t)
| 	  (const :tag "When no clock is running" when-no-clock-is-running)))
| ...
`----

HTH,
Nick

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-10-26 21:56   ` Bernt Hansen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Bernt Hansen @ 2009-10-26 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:
>
>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
>> tasks. At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling
>> clock- 
>> in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the
>> dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.
>> I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,
>> emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing
>> that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be
>> sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on
>> emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.
>> 
>
> The culprit must be the "emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard" part.
> It works fine (in the sense that "it does not lead to emacs crashes") on
> Linux:
>
>    Org-mode version 6.32 (release_6.32.8.g9077)
>    GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2009-10-13 on gamaville.dokosmarshall.org
>
> I don't clock much (maybe one of these years, when I find the time...
> the usual excuse of the procrastinator :-), so I'm not sure how things
> are supposed to work. I tried to clock in a task from the agenda (using
> I), I get a "dangling clock" message, I select cancel and everything is
> fine.  I then clock out and the clock gets updated appropriately. I then
> clock in again and get another dangling clock warning (with ~120000 mins
> on it).  After doing it a few times on a couple of different items, I
> don't get the dangling messages any more either. I guess all the clocks I had
> started way back when, when I was playing with clocks, and had not closed,
> were found, dealt with, and now I'm all set - maybe.
>
> If anything is really wrong, I'm sure we'll get an earful when Bernt
> (aka the king of clocking) upgrades !-)

Eeek!  I have an official title? :D

I upgraded this morning and clocking works fine for me (again in Linux)
but I'm on GNU Emacs 22.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.11) of
2008-11-09 on raven, modified by Debian.  Org-mode version 6.32
(release_6.32.dirty)

I don't currently use the clock resolution functionality but plan to
play with it soon. (I currently have no open clock entries except the
task I'm clocking right now).

-Bernt

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-26 19:32 Unable to clock in on task Keith Lancaster
  2009-10-26 20:35 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-10-27  9:59 ` Phil Rooke
  2009-10-27 14:36   ` Nick Dokos
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Phil Rooke @ 2009-10-27  9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Keith Lancaster; +Cc: Org Mode List

Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:

> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> tasks. At first, there was an issue with an org file having a dangling
> clock- 
> in. When I attempted to log in to a task, it alerted me to the
> dangling task. No matter how I answered (cancel, etc), Emacs crashed.
> I then fixed the dangling clock in question and tried again. Now,
> emacs crashed immediately without displaying a menu. I am guessing
> that the issue is still related to a dangling clock-in, but cannot be
> sure. Is there a way to disable the clock-checking feature? I'm on
> emacs 23 cocoa on Snow Leopard.

I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
(using "I" on a task in the daily agenda).  My symptoms are different,
Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
  expand-file-name(126)
  mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
  org-files-list()
  org-resolve-clocks()
  byte-code....
  org-clock-in(nil)
  org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
  call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)

Currently running:

79bcdbe73667be7ad811c1f2facd419cbef90426
Author: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue Oct 27 09:29:49 2009 +0100

Mac OS X 10.5.8
GNU Emacs 23.50.1

Rgds

Phil

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-27  9:59 ` Phil Rooke
@ 2009-10-27 14:36   ` Nick Dokos
  2009-10-27 14:48     ` Keith Lancaster
                       ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2009-10-27 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Phil Rooke; +Cc: Org Mode List

Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:

> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
> 
> > I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> > tasks. ...
> 
> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda).  My symptoms are different,
> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
> 
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
>   expand-file-name(126)
>   mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
>   org-files-list()
>   org-resolve-clocks()
>   byte-code....
>   org-clock-in(nil)
>   org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
>   call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
> 

This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list which
does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention.  It
should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and should
probably be deleted.

Try this patch:

diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
--- a/lisp/org-clock.el
+++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
@@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid) clocks."
   (interactive "P")
   (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
     (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
-      (dolist (file (org-files-list))
+      (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
 	(let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
 	  (dolist (clock clocks)
 	    (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))

Thanks,
Nick

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-27 14:36   ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-10-27 14:48     ` Keith Lancaster
  2009-10-27 15:06       ` Nick Dokos
  2009-10-27 15:06     ` Phil Rooke
  2009-10-27 15:26     ` Carsten Dominik
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Keith Lancaster @ 2009-10-27 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List

That did it! The patch fixes the problem - it now handles all the  
dangling clocks and then clocks in correctly. Thanks!

Keith

On Oct 27, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
>>
>>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
>>> tasks. ...
>>
>> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
>> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda).  My symptoms are  
>> different,
>> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
>>
>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
>>  expand-file-name(126)
>>  mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
>>  org-files-list()
>>  org-resolve-clocks()
>>  byte-code....
>>  org-clock-in(nil)
>>  org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
>>  call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
>>
>
> This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list  
> which
> does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention.  It
> should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and  
> should
> probably be deleted.
>
> Try this patch:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid)  
> clocks."
>   (interactive "P")
>   (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
>     (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> -      (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> +      (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
> 	(let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
> 	  (dolist (clock clocks)
> 	    (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>

Keith Lancaster
klancaster1957@acm.org

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-27 14:36   ` Nick Dokos
  2009-10-27 14:48     ` Keith Lancaster
@ 2009-10-27 15:06     ` Phil Rooke
  2009-10-27 15:26     ` Carsten Dominik
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Phil Rooke @ 2009-10-27 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list which
> does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention.  It
> should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and should
> probably be deleted.
>
> Try this patch:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid) clocks."
>    (interactive "P")
>    (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
>      (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> -      (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> +      (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
>  	(let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
>  	  (dolist (clock clocks)
>  	    (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))

That works for me.  Thanks a lot.

Phil

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-27 14:48     ` Keith Lancaster
@ 2009-10-27 15:06       ` Nick Dokos
       [not found]         ` <31980590-35DC-4887-8E5F-CCE8938AB1AD@acm.org>
  2009-10-27 15:53         ` Phil Rooke
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2009-10-27 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Keith Lancaster; +Cc: Org Mode List

Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:

> That did it! The patch fixes the problem - it now handles all the
> dangling clocks and then clocks in correctly. Thanks!
> 
> Keith
> 
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Nick Dokos wrote:
> 
> > Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
> >>
> >>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
> >>> tasks. ...
> >>
> >> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
> >> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda).  My symptoms are
> >> different,
> >> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
> >>
> >> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
> >>  expand-file-name(126)
> >>  mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
> >>  org-files-list()
> >>  org-resolve-clocks()
> >>  byte-code....
> >>  org-clock-in(nil)
> >>  org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
> >>  call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
> >>
> >
> > This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list
> > which
> > does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention.  It
> > should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> > org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and
> > should
> > probably be deleted.
> >
> > Try this patch:
> >
> > diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> > index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> > --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> > +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> > @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid)
> > clocks."
> >   (interactive "P")
> >   (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
> >     (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> > -      (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> > +      (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
> > 	(let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
> > 	  (dolist (clock clocks)
> > 	    (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
> 

Let me point out that the difference between Keith's original report and
Phil's report is that Phil included the backtrace - given that, the
patch was easy. So, Keith, you know what to do next time :-)

Even better, using org-submit-bug-report would have shown us that the
"agenda file list in a file" convention was being used - as you can
imagine, that's not the setting I use, so when I tried clocking in
yesterday, things worked without a problem for me.

Moralizingly-but-I-hope-not-overbearingly-so yours,
Nick

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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-27 14:36   ` Nick Dokos
  2009-10-27 14:48     ` Keith Lancaster
  2009-10-27 15:06     ` Phil Rooke
@ 2009-10-27 15:26     ` Carsten Dominik
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-27 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List

Hi everyone,

I believe this is not the right fix.

John uses (and wrote) org-files-list to get both the agenda files and
any currently open files which happen to be org files but might not be
in the org-agenda-files list.

The bug is in Johns code, where the function org-agenda-files
should be used, rather than the variable.

diff --git a/lisp/org.el b/lisp/org.el
index ed36c45..d720347 100644
--- a/lisp/org.el
+++ b/lisp/org.el
@@ -5362,7 +5362,7 @@ are at least `org-cycle-separator-lines' empty  
lines before the headline."
    "Return `org-agenda-files' list, plus all open org-mode files.
  This is useful for operations that need to scan all of a user's
  open and agenda-wise Org files."
-  (let ((files (mapcar 'expand-file-name org-agenda-files)))
+  (let ((files (mapcar 'expand-file-name (org-agenda-files))))
      (dolist (buf (buffer-list))
        (with-current-buffer buf
  	(if (and (eq major-mode 'org-mode) (buffer-file-name))

- Carsten

On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Phil Rooke <phil@yax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> writes:
>>
>>> I updated to 6.32 this morning and am now unable to clock in on
>>> tasks. ...
>>
>> I too upgraded this morning and am also having problems clocking in
>> (using "I" on a task in the daily agenda).  My symptoms are  
>> different,
>> Emacs doesn't crash but I do consistently get the following:
>>
>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp 126)
>>  expand-file-name(126)
>>  mapcar(expand-file-name "~/Documents/Org/org-agenda-files")
>>  org-files-list()
>>  org-resolve-clocks()
>>  byte-code....
>>  org-clock-in(nil)
>>  org-agenda-clock-in(nil)
>>  call-interactively(org-agenda-clock-in nil nil)
>>
>
> This does look like a bug: org-resolve-clock calls org-files-list  
> which
> does not know about the "agenda files list in a file" convention.  It
> should probably call the function org-agenda-files instead of
> org-files-list. org-files-list is only used in this one place and  
> should
> probably be deleted.
>
> Try this patch:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el
> index ea23a8d..2ce2f22 100644
> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el
> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el
> @@ -737,7 +737,7 @@ non-dangling (i.e., currently open and valid)  
> clocks."
>   (interactive "P")
>   (unless org-clock-resolving-clocks
>     (let ((org-clock-resolving-clocks t))
> -      (dolist (file (org-files-list))
> +      (dolist (file (org-agenda-files))
> 	(let ((clocks (org-find-open-clocks file)))
> 	  (dolist (clock clocks)
> 	    (let ((dangling (or (not (org-clock-is-active))
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
>
>
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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
       [not found]         ` <31980590-35DC-4887-8E5F-CCE8938AB1AD@acm.org>
@ 2009-10-27 15:28           ` Keith Lancaster
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Keith Lancaster @ 2009-10-27 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org Mode List


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Oops. Meant to copy list.

On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Keith Lancaster wrote:

> Would have if I could have! (I used to run a QA dept, so I knew how  
> bad my "Its blowing up" message was :-).
>
> The symptom on my machine was the Mac equivalent of a GPF - Emacs  
> disappeared and the "I'm sending this to Apple" message popped up.  
> How do you get Emacs to run in a mode that will allow a backtrace in  
> this kind of case?
>
> Keith
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Nick Dokos wrote:
>
>> Keith Lancaster <klancaster1957@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Let me point out that the difference between Keith's original  
>> report and
>> Phil's report is that Phil included the backtrace - given that, the
>> patch was easy. So, Keith, you know what to do next time :-)
>>
>> Even better, using org-submit-bug-report would have shown us that the
>> "agenda file list in a file" convention was being used - as you can
>> imagine, that's not the setting I use, so when I tried clocking in
>> yesterday, things worked without a problem for me.
>>
>> Moralizingly-but-I-hope-not-overbearingly-so yours,
>> Nick
>>
>
> Keith Lancaster
> klancaster1957@acm.org
>
>

Keith Lancaster
klancaster1957@mac.com




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* Re: Unable to clock in on task
  2009-10-27 15:06       ` Nick Dokos
       [not found]         ` <31980590-35DC-4887-8E5F-CCE8938AB1AD@acm.org>
@ 2009-10-27 15:53         ` Phil Rooke
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Phil Rooke @ 2009-10-27 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Org Mode List

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> Even better, using org-submit-bug-report would have shown us that the
> "agenda file list in a file" convention was being used - as you can
> imagine, that's not the setting I use, so when I tried clocking in
> yesterday, things worked without a problem for me.

Back in the days of v3.x/4.x when I originally wrote the org reference
card I would pride myself on knowing pretty much everything the mode
offered...nowadays, sadly, lots of bits pass me by.  I didn't even know
of the bug report function :(

Still I do now, thanks and I will use it in future.

> Moralizingly-but-I-hope-not-overbearingly-so yours,

Not at all, it was a fair point.

Regards,

Phil

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