Re: Beamer support in Org-mode

From: Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com>
To: Mark Elston <m_elston@comcast.net>
Cc: Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Beamer support in Org-mode
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:05:29 +0000	[thread overview]
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For what it's worth, my preparation style would follow Mark's.  Chart the
flow of what I want to say in org, ideally using whatever hierarchy I need
to do it, then export the outline and essential detail for
beamer-and/or-handouts.  I'd keep the teaching notes to myself (and keep
them part of the same outline) if there was a way to do it.  I'm happy to
use the \notes{} proposal until the org-hive figures out if something more
elegant can be done.

Scot

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Mark Elston <m_elston@comcast.net> wrote:

> I have been following this discussion with some interest as it may
> provide the basis for something I am interested in doing as well.
> I hope my discussion doesn't muddy the waters too much...
>
> Nick Dokos wrote:
>
>> Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  At Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:09:33 +0100,
>>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>> I still don't have any better ideas than this to represent notes
>>>> in Org for beamer presentations.  Just writing \noe{...} as you
>>>> suggest will certainly work - the disadvantage is that this does
>>>> not make a lot of sense when exporting to other formats.
>>>>
>>>> One option would be to turn all those notes into footnotes
>>>> for other export.....
>>>>
>>>> I'd really be interested to get more input on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>  Maybe it is better to simple ignore notes when exporting to other
>>> formats.
>>>
>>> For me notes in beamer are useful only to give me an idea of what I
>>> intend to
>>> talk about in the presentation and help me training for the presentation.
>>> They
>>> are not really "part of the final exported document" and sometimes I put
>>> a lot
>>> of information in them (possible in a different language from the
>>> presentation).
>>>
>>> Also, the contents in notes can be anything such as a table or a figure.
>>> This
>>> obviously would result in an error if or if org tried to put them into a
>>> footnote when exporting to other formats.
>>>
>>> Therefore, the question is has anyone here any interest in notes when
>>> exporting
>>> to other formats or do they only make sense when exporting to beamer?
>>>
>>>
> My case is similar.  I teach a class each week and, so far, have created
> two documents; a set of handouts and my notes for teaching.  Generally
> these documents start from the same original and I modify and expand the
> notes I use for teaching while leaving the handouts a smaller doc for
> those in the class to take their own notes from.
>
> I don't use beamer as the handouts tend to be 6-8 pages of 'normal' text
> as it is and my teaching notes are usually far larger.  I don't want to
> manipulate a stack of paper while teaching.
>
>
>
>> For me, notes are rather important: in addition to reminding me what to
>> say, they are essentially a second level to the presentation (and I
>> always include them in any handouts). Somebody who has a vague interest
>> in the subject can look at the slides. If they want to go into it a bit
>> deeper, they can look at the notes.
>>
>
> My case is similar but I don't 'expose' my teaching notes to the
> students for a variety of reasons.
>
>
>> ...
>>
>> So unless somebody comes up with a really good idea, delaying any
>> org-specific implementation might be the best way forward: it would save
>> wear-and-tear on Carsten, allow the rest of us to catch up and gather
>> some experience and perhaps come up with better ideas on how to handle
>> this.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
> I guess my request is similar to what has been discussed above in that I
> would *very* much like to maintain handouts and teaching material in the
> same file and then export it to two different files as necessary.  This
> would make my job a lot easier to manage.  I could decide which tables,
> figures, text, etc are common to both docs and which are just for me and
> everything happens automatically behind the scenes.
>
> Beamer output is not critical for me (or even necessarily desired) right
> now but I would like a way of marking some text for 'limited' export.
> Using a special notation is not a problem if it gives me the ability to
> maintain a single document that I can export to two different LaTeX/PDF
> docs.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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