Re: Beamer support in Org-mode

From: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com>
To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Cc: mailing-list-org-mode list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Beamer support in Org-mode
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:29:47 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4b0ec920.0407c00a.1a73.1d20@mx.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8F9C582F-F254-4FF7-A22B-E3D90081D380@gmail.com>

I usually make my presentations in beamer as below.
,----
| \begin{frame}
|   \frametitle{This is the frametitle}
|   \begin{itemize}
|     \item Some information
|     \begin{itemize}
|       \item Some information in a subitem
|     \end{itemize}
|     \item more information
|     \item more information \note[item]{This is a note about this item}
|   \end{itemize}
| \end{frame}
`----

Therefore, I think a simple solution is just writing the \note command directly
in org that would then be passed to beamer. In org-mode the same slide would be

,----
| * This is the frametitle
|  - Some information
|    - Some information in a subitem
|  - more information
|  - more information \note[item]{This is a note about this item}
`----

This avoids cluttering the org file and since the item (including the note) will
probably span more then one line, then just leaving notes like this will allow
hiding everything with the outline capabilities of org-mode. If a subtree is
used this would probably not be possible.

The "item" option in the note command is used in beamer to number the notes (I
myself always want this).

Of course that if everyone else like to put the notes at the end of the frame
then a subtree with all the notes makes sense. Beamer does not impose where the
notes should be inside the frame and I can reeducate myself to put them inside a
subtree, but I'd like to leave the notes near the items they are related to, if
possible.

- Darlan Cavalcante

At Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:47:22 +0100,
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Nick Dokos wrote:
> 
> > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> this is in response to the discussions about beamer
> >> export from Org-mode.  Yesterday I had a long train ride
> >> during which I scanned the beamer documentation (smoking
> >> hot stuff!).
> >
> > Indeed - Till Tantau has a gift for documentation (among other
> > gifts). I'd recommend the documentation for pgf/tikz as well. Amazing.
> 
> Don't tell me he wrote pgf/tikz as well???
> 
> Unbelievable.
> 
> >
> >> Then I made the attached draft
> >> for Org-mode support, strongly based on the stuff
> >> Eric Fraga has put together recently.  What is described
> >> below sort-of works in some experimental code here, but before
> >> I polish I would like comments on this outline.
> >>
> >> NOW is the time to chime in.
> >>
> >
> > Two questions (with apologies in advance: I've been buried for a while
> > now, so I may have missed important details):
> >
> > o How do I test? Is there a beamer template for org-export-latex- 
> > classes
> >  that implements this spec? I just did a git pull but did not see one.
> 
> This is still crappy code on a local branch here, I want to figure out  
> what
> I/we actually want before publishing it.
> 
> >
> > o I didn't see anything about notes (in the beamer sense: speaker  
> > notes
> >  that don't appear in the slides, but do appear in the handout). For
> >  me, that is one of the most important aspects of beamer: the slides
> >  are there to remind me what to say (and hopefully to elicit the same
> >  memory in the audience, after the talk is finished). They provide the
> >  structure, but they are just a bunch of bones, a skeleton.  The notes
> >  are the meat of the presentation, so imho it would behoove Org to
> >  provide a mechanism for notes from the get-go.
> 
> Yes, I did not look at notes yet.  Good point.
> 
> Any succestions?  Subtrees with a B_note tag?
> 
> First need to try how notes actually work....
> 
> - Carsten
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> 
> - Carsten
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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