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From: Mark Elston <m_elston@comcast.net>
To: Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Beamer support in Org-mode
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:02:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B216FF8.3090101@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <78CCC120-4A39-4A85-A659-CCDC71EF5CEA@tsdye.com>

Thomas S. Dye wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Mark Elston wrote:
> 
>> I have been following this discussion with some interest as it may
>> provide the basis for something I am interested in doing as well.
>> I hope my discussion doesn't muddy the waters too much...
>>
>> Nick Dokos wrote:
>>> Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:darcamo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> At Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:09:33 +0100,
>>>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:carsten.dominik@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>> I still don't have any better ideas than this to represent notes
>>>>> in Org for beamer presentations.  Just writing \noe{...} as you
>>>>> suggest will certainly work - the disadvantage is that this does
>>>>> not make a lot of sense when exporting to other formats.
>>>>>
>>>>> One option would be to turn all those notes into footnotes
>>>>> for other export.....
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd really be interested to get more input on this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is better to simple ignore notes when exporting to other 
>>>> formats.
>>>>
>>>> For me notes in beamer are useful only to give me an idea of what I 
>>>> intend to
>>>> talk about in the presentation and help me training for the 
>>>> presentation. They
>>>> are not really "part of the final exported document" and sometimes I 
>>>> put a lot
>>>> of information in them (possible in a different language from the
>>>> presentation).
>>>>
>>>> Also, the contents in notes can be anything such as a table or a 
>>>> figure. This
>>>> obviously would result in an error if or if org tried to put them into a
>>>> footnote when exporting to other formats.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, the question is has anyone here any interest in notes 
>>>> when exporting
>>>> to other formats or do they only make sense when exporting to beamer?
>>>>
>>
>> My case is similar.  I teach a class each week and, so far, have created
>> two documents; a set of handouts and my notes for teaching.  Generally
>> these documents start from the same original and I modify and expand the
>> notes I use for teaching while leaving the handouts a smaller doc for
>> those in the class to take their own notes from.
>>
>> I don't use beamer as the handouts tend to be 6-8 pages of 'normal' text
>> as it is and my teaching notes are usually far larger.  I don't want to
>> manipulate a stack of paper while teaching.
>>
>>> For me, notes are rather important: in addition to reminding me what to
>>> say, they are essentially a second level to the presentation (and I
>>> always include them in any handouts). Somebody who has a vague interest
>>> in the subject can look at the slides. If they want to go into it a bit
>>> deeper, they can look at the notes.
>>
>> My case is similar but I don't 'expose' my teaching notes to the
>> students for a variety of reasons.
>>
>>> ...
>>> So unless somebody comes up with a really good idea, delaying any
>>> org-specific implementation might be the best way forward: it would save
>>> wear-and-tear on Carsten, allow the rest of us to catch up and gather
>>> some experience and perhaps come up with better ideas on how to handle
>>> this.
>>> Nick
>>
>> I guess my request is similar to what has been discussed above in that I
>> would *very* much like to maintain handouts and teaching material in the
>> same file and then export it to two different files as necessary.  This
>> would make my job a lot easier to manage.  I could decide which tables,
>> figures, text, etc are common to both docs and which are just for me and
>> everything happens automatically behind the scenes.
>>
>> Beamer output is not critical for me (or even necessarily desired) right
>> now but I would like a way of marking some text for 'limited' export.
>> Using a special notation is not a problem if it gives me the ability to
>> maintain a single document that I can export to two different LaTeX/PDF
>> docs.
>>
>> Mark
> 
> I use Org-babel to accomplish this.  Its literate programming facility lets you define a block of text and re-use it wherever you like.  You can "tangle" 
> as many .tex files as you want from a single Org-mode document.
> 
> You can find some examples here:
> 
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/org-babel-uses.php
> 

I had been avoiding the literate programming aspects of org-babel since
my previous experience with literate programming was less than
satisfying.  However, this use may be just what the doctor ordered.
I will have to give it a look.

Mark

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-10 22:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-26 11:17 Beamer support in Org-mode Carsten Dominik
2009-11-26 11:26 ` Friedrich Delgado Friedrichs
2009-11-26 14:01 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-11-26 14:54   ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-26 17:53     ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-11-26 16:30 ` Nick Dokos
2009-11-26 16:47   ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-26 18:29     ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2009-12-10 16:09       ` Carsten Dominik
2009-12-10 16:50         ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2009-12-10 17:28           ` Nick Dokos
2009-12-10 20:49             ` Mark Elston
2009-12-10 21:00               ` Thomas S. Dye
2009-12-10 22:02                 ` Mark Elston [this message]
2009-12-10 23:31                   ` Nick Dokos
2009-12-10 23:49                     ` Mark Elston
2009-12-11  8:05                       ` Carsten Dominik
2009-12-21 15:50                         ` Thomas S. Dye
2009-12-21 22:28                           ` Carsten Dominik
2009-12-10 21:05               ` Scot Becker
2009-12-15 15:51         ` Eric S Fraga
2009-12-15 19:07           ` Daniel Martins
2009-12-15 19:49             ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2009-12-18 11:06               ` Adam Spiers
2009-11-26 16:49 ` Dan Davison
2009-11-26 16:57   ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-27  8:02     ` Eric S Fraga
2009-11-27  9:09       ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-11-27 13:48         ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-27 15:04           ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-11-27 18:40           ` Eric S Fraga
2009-11-27  8:01   ` Eric S Fraga
2009-11-26 17:04 ` Thomas S. Dye
2009-11-26 18:40   ` Dan Davison
2009-11-26 21:38     ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-11-26 21:47       ` Russell Adams
2009-11-27  8:15         ` Eric S Fraga
2009-12-04 10:23           ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-26 23:51     ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-27  9:13       ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-11-27 14:26       ` Stephan Schmitt
2009-12-02 16:27       ` Christian Egli
2009-11-27 14:21     ` Magnus Henoch
2009-11-27 15:31       ` Dan Davison
2009-11-27 16:43         ` S5 Slideschows / Presentations - was " Sebastian Rose
2009-11-26 17:10 ` Christoph Groth
2009-11-26 21:25   ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-11-26 18:26 ` Eric S Fraga
2009-11-29 18:03 ` Gray Calhoun
2009-11-29 20:19   ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-30 23:21     ` Gray Calhoun
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-12-22  0:11 Thomas S. Dye
2009-11-09 13:07 BUG: org-annotation-helper.el uses caddr without requiring cl Adam Spiers
2008-01-31  8:37 Strange bug, request for more info Carsten Dominik
2008-01-31 10:32 ` Adam Spiers
2008-01-31 10:59   ` Hugo Schmitt
2008-01-31 11:54     ` Adam Spiers
     [not found]       ` <orgmode@adamspiers.org>
2008-01-31 16:19         ` Nick Dokos
2008-01-31 16:52           ` Adam Spiers
2008-01-31 17:35         ` Nick Dokos
2009-11-09 15:23         ` BUG: org-annotation-helper.el uses caddr without requiring cl Nick Dokos
2009-11-09 21:10           ` Sebastian Rose
2009-11-09 21:34             ` Carsten Dominik
2009-11-09 22:28               ` Sebastian Rose
2009-12-18 15:06         ` Beamer support in Org-mode Nick Dokos
2009-12-18 21:01           ` Daniel Martins
2009-12-19 22:33             ` Thomas S. Dye
2009-12-20 15:08               ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2010-01-03 19:07                 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-01-03 23:22                   ` Russell Adams
2010-01-04  9:07                     ` Carsten Dominik
2010-01-04 14:49                       ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2010-01-04 15:30                         ` Carsten Dominik
2010-01-05 17:21                         ` Carsten Dominik
2008-01-31 11:25   ` Strange bug, request for more info Carsten Dominik
2008-01-31 12:03     ` Adam Spiers
2008-01-31 14:09       ` Carsten Dominik
2008-01-31 15:33         ` Behavior Change/Bug: Agenda sorting of deadline items v > 4.73 Eric J Haywiser
2008-01-31 15:43           ` Carsten Dominik
2008-01-31 23:20             ` Eric J Haywiser
2008-02-01  8:28               ` Behavior Change/Bug: Agenda sorting of deadline itemsv " Egli Christian (KIRO 41)
2008-02-01 16:57                 ` Eric J Haywiser
2008-02-03  8:21                   ` Carsten Dominik
2008-01-31 13:59 ` Strange bug, request for more info Bernt Hansen
2008-01-31 19:59 ` Philip Rooke
2008-01-31 20:43   ` Jost Burkardt
2008-02-04 17:59 ` Ivan Kanis
2008-02-06 18:08 ` Jost Burkardt
2008-02-07  9:41   ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-26  2:44 ` Bernt Hansen
2010-05-26  3:21   ` Samuel Wales
2010-05-26 11:35   ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-27 11:39     ` Bernt Hansen
2010-05-27 17:32       ` John Wiegley

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