* Why not push?
@ 2015-02-15 10:23 Marcin Borkowski
2015-02-15 10:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-02-15 10:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-Mode mailing list
Hi there,
I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
construction:
(setq list (cons (something) list))
Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:23 Why not push? Marcin Borkowski
@ 2015-02-15 10:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 10:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2015-02-15 21:22 ` Yuri Niyazov
2015-02-15 11:35 ` Rasmus
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-02-15 10:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: Org-Mode mailing list
Hello,
Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
> construction:
>
> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>
> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
No. Good luck with refactoring "org.el". ;)
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-02-15 10:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2015-02-15 10:56 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-02-15 21:22 ` Yuri Niyazov
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From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-02-15 10:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
>
>> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
>> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
>> construction:
>>
>> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>>
>> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
>
> No. Good luck with refactoring "org.el". ;)
Shhh... if you don't say anything, he might go and do it!
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2015-02-15 10:56 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-02-15 12:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen
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From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-02-15 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
On 2015-02-15, at 11:42, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
>>
>>> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
>>> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
>>> construction:
>>>
>>> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>>>
>>> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
>>
>> No. Good luck with refactoring "org.el". ;)
>
> Shhh... if you don't say anything, he might go and do it!
;-)
Actually, not. (Though it might make a nice student project. And it
would be a good idea to do it.) But I haven't signed the FSF papers.
OTOH, I have a personal project where I devote some amount of time every
day to read someone else's code. I started with parts of simple.el, and
now the time has come for ox-latex (and its dependencies).
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:23 Why not push? Marcin Borkowski
2015-02-15 10:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-02-15 11:35 ` Rasmus
2015-02-15 22:33 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-02-16 9:03 ` Sebastien Vauban
2015-08-05 0:00 ` Bastien Guerry
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From: Rasmus @ 2015-02-15 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
> Hi there,
>
> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
> construction:
>
> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>
> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
These days you even have split-string in subr which you can make behave
like org-split-string.
Oh, and there's all the cl re-implementations... I like org-some better
than cl-some just cause it sounds nice when you say it (try):
org (tiny pause) some.
—Rasmus
--
When in doubt, do it!
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:56 ` Marcin Borkowski
@ 2015-02-15 12:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2015-02-15 22:31 ` Marcin Borkowski
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From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-02-15 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
> On 2015-02-15, at 11:42, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
>>>
>>>> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
>>>> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
>>>> construction:
>>>>
>>>> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>>>>
>>>> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
>>>
>>> No. Good luck with refactoring "org.el". ;)
>>
>> Shhh... if you don't say anything, he might go and do it!
>
> ;-)
>
> Actually, not. (Though it might make a nice student project. And it
> would be a good idea to do it.) But I haven't signed the FSF papers.
>
> OTOH, I have a personal project where I devote some amount of time every
> day to read someone else's code. I started with parts of simple.el, and
> now the time has come for ox-latex (and its dependencies).
Ah well, maybe we'll trick someone else into it :)
My own personal project is to spend a bit of every day working on the
emacs packages that make my computing life possible: Org, Gnus, and
BBDB. I'd prefer to spend most of it on Org, but the fact is that when
your email setup is broken, that always takes priority. Org and Gnus
both suffer (and both benefit) from wild and messy codebases. Org has
Nicolas to help whip it into shape; Gnus doesn't.
If you're just reading code, ox-latex is a great place to start. If
you're fixing code, org-agenda could use some love...
Eric
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 10:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2015-02-15 21:22 ` Yuri Niyazov
2015-02-15 21:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 21:40 ` Marcin Borkowski
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From: Yuri Niyazov @ 2015-02-15 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-Mode mailing list
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
> No. Good luck with refactoring "org.el". ;)
Could you clarify what you think are the biggest issues with
refactoring org.el ?
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 21:22 ` Yuri Niyazov
@ 2015-02-15 21:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 21:40 ` Marcin Borkowski
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-02-15 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yuri Niyazov; +Cc: Org-Mode mailing list
Yuri Niyazov <yuri.niyazov@gmail.com> writes:
> Could you clarify what you think are the biggest issues with
> refactoring org.el ?
Its size.
Regards,
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 21:22 ` Yuri Niyazov
2015-02-15 21:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-02-15 21:40 ` Marcin Borkowski
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From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-02-15 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-Mode mailing list
On 2015-02-15, at 22:22, Yuri Niyazov <yuri.niyazov@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
>> No. Good luck with refactoring "org.el". ;)
>
> Could you clarify what you think are the biggest issues with
> refactoring org.el ?
IMHO, the biggest and most useful thing would be to divide the humongous
functions into smaller, reusable parts.
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 12:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2015-02-15 22:31 ` Marcin Borkowski
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From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-02-15 22:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
On 2015-02-15, at 13:26, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
> Ah well, maybe we'll trick someone else into it :)
;-)
> My own personal project is to spend a bit of every day working on the
> emacs packages that make my computing life possible: Org, Gnus, and
> BBDB. I'd prefer to spend most of it on Org, but the fact is that when
> your email setup is broken, that always takes priority. Org and Gnus
> both suffer (and both benefit) from wild and messy codebases. Org has
> Nicolas to help whip it into shape; Gnus doesn't.
That is a good one. It wouldn't work for me, though, for reason I've
explained earlier.
> If you're just reading code, ox-latex is a great place to start. If
> you're fixing code, org-agenda could use some love...
Well, since I want to write a modification of the LaTeX exporter,
ox-latex seems a natural thing to look at. OTOH, org-agenda looks scary
;-).
> Eric
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 11:35 ` Rasmus
@ 2015-02-15 22:33 ` Marcin Borkowski
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From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-02-15 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
On 2015-02-15, at 12:35, Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> wrote:
> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
>> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
>> construction:
>>
>> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>>
>> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
>
> These days you even have split-string in subr which you can make behave
> like org-split-string.
Interesting. I'll look into it.
> Oh, and there's all the cl re-implementations... I like org-some better
> than cl-some just cause it sounds nice when you say it (try):
Yes, it seems to me that reinventing the wheel is quite common in Emacs
libraries.
> org (tiny pause) some.
At least one lame pun comes to mind...
> —Rasmus
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:23 Why not push? Marcin Borkowski
2015-02-15 10:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 11:35 ` Rasmus
@ 2015-02-16 9:03 ` Sebastien Vauban
2015-08-05 0:00 ` Bastien Guerry
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From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2015-02-16 9:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Marcin,
Marcin Borkowski wrote:
> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
> construction:
>
> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>
> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
IIUC, Emacs developers did not like needing
(require 'cl)
in the packages' code base. Not sure why (they did not like it, or why
they did not integrate such handy functions in the Emacs core).
And it seems to have changed. They even have a lot of `cl-*' functions
now.
Though, for whatever reason, they don't have `cl-push', but well
`cl-pushnew'...
Not all that clear to me.
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-02-15 10:23 Why not push? Marcin Borkowski
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2015-02-16 9:03 ` Sebastien Vauban
@ 2015-08-05 0:00 ` Bastien Guerry
2015-08-05 6:21 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Bastien Guerry @ 2015-08-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: Org-Mode mailing list
Hi Marcin,
Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:
> I don't want to be nitpicking, but I'm just curious. I'm looking at the
> function `org-split-string'. It uses (two times) the following
> construction:
>
> (setq list (cons (something) list))
>
> Is there any particular reason for not using `push' there?
I pushed a tiny clean up here. Next question is: why not using
(split-string STRING SEPARATORS t)
?
--
Bastien
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-08-05 0:00 ` Bastien Guerry
@ 2015-08-05 6:21 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-08-05 7:07 ` Bastien Guerry
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-08-05 6:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien Guerry; +Cc: Org-Mode mailing list, Marcin Borkowski
Hello,
Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
> I pushed a tiny clean up here. Next question is: why not using
>
> (split-string STRING SEPARATORS t)
>
> ?
It's a first step. It would be nice to get rid of `org-split-string'
altogether in the long run. We may make `org-split-string' an obsolete
alias for `split-string', and update code base accordingly.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Why not push?
2015-08-05 6:21 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-08-05 7:07 ` Bastien Guerry
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From: Bastien Guerry @ 2015-08-05 7:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org-Mode mailing list, Marcin Borkowski
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> It's a first step. It would be nice to get rid of `org-split-string'
> altogether in the long run. We may make `org-split-string' an obsolete
> alias for `split-string', and update code base accordingly.
Agreed. I was unclear, I meant: why not using split-string instead of
org-split-string.
--
Bastien
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