From: Xebar Saram <zeltakc@gmail.com>
To: Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com>
Cc: Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl>,
"emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
aaermolov@gmail.com, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository?
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:46:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQHXPomwj7PBM=7y7XenYy1iu0QYXKWWYcn=d1uni5sJKnTDw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2full17ss.fsf@christianmoe.com>
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+1 for keeping it in
i often debug my org based init config by launching emacs -Q and its great
to have org built in for that :)
Z
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com>
wrote:
>
> +1.
>
> (= Keep it in.)
>
> Yours,
> Christian
>
> Carsten Dominik writes:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I'd hate to see Org removed from Emacs. It took a lot of work to get it
> > in, and I believe that the vast majority of Emacs users does not install
> > packages. For a newbie to get to Emacs and to be able to open a .org
> file
> > is a big plus. So my vote goes toward keeping it in.
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:22 AM, <aaermolov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 2 cents from me...
> >>
> >> Besides I continuously see many users praising Emacs just for Org
> >> presence (they even may be completely non-technical users), I'm
> >> personally think Org may be removed from Emacs distribution because:
> >>
> >> 1) all Reuben's argument seems sane;
> >> 2) there are situations when someone wants particular version of Org,
> >> and it may be not tne one bundled with Emacs. In this case someone
> >> should perform extra steps to ensure things are going the right way.
> >> When Org will be available only from ELPA, it will be SPOT for such
> >> cases.
> >>
> >> Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > Now that Emacs has had package.el for some years, and Org is
> installable
> >> > directly from GNU ELPA, would it be a good idea to remove Org from
> >> Emacs's
> >> > source repository?
> >> >
> >> > The current situation is left over from before Emacs had package.el,
> and
> >> I
> >> > see no compelling reason to keep it. Org is too big and distinct to be
> >> > swallowed by Emacs; it doesn't make much sense to keep its current
> >> half-in,
> >> > half-out state; so logically it seems sensible to take it out.
> >> >
> >> > I am asking this question from an Org point of view; I will ask the
> Emacs
> >> > maintainers separately for their perspective.
> >> >
> >> > I think it would benefit Emacs too, as there would be less code to
> >> maintain
> >> > (even though Org is quasi-external at present, it still has to build
> >> > successfully as part of an Emacs build), and the Emacs distribution
> would
> >> > be slimmer for non-Org users.
> >> >
> >> > Of course, Emacs "distributions" would still be able to include Org
> >> > out-of-the box if they wished.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > http://rrt.sc3d.org
> >>
>
>
>
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Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-12-17 22:43 Remove Org from Emacs repository? Reuben Thomas
2016-12-18 9:22 ` aaermolov
2016-12-18 13:20 ` Carsten Dominik
2016-12-18 13:59 ` Rasmus
2016-12-18 14:41 ` Greg Troxel
2016-12-18 15:53 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-12-18 17:01 ` Reuben Thomas
[not found] ` <WM!f754fa008f759b442796c83f07a493b80e9d7ae4298a54f3fabf6b50a6e8ba9da1d361e87e441eae1fe9b1deeb824e68!@mailhub-mx3.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-19 15:32 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-19 15:45 ` Reuben Thomas
2016-12-18 17:11 ` Christian Moe
2016-12-18 18:46 ` Xebar Saram [this message]
2016-12-18 19:08 ` Lambda Coder
2016-12-19 18:09 ` Scott Randby
2016-12-18 19:21 ` Samuel Wales
2016-12-18 23:32 ` Reuben Thomas
2016-12-19 1:36 ` MaDhAt2r
2016-12-19 10:42 ` Achim Gratz
[not found] ` <WM!759fdf23a4a1bd7b46432ee60644e52fd7beb44781fd97109e1d38080c6611cbecaf3bf7f1ea49cdc6a1823f1a9663ec!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-19 17:14 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-19 18:53 ` Achim Gratz
[not found] ` <WM!fdb65752b64ef5461efbcb948e173a504edcf68a88cb151b38f9292793a941a33217a0cc771607f86b8962c90b171694!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-20 10:13 ` Phillip Lord
2017-01-16 8:36 ` Erik Colson
2016-12-19 1:52 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-12-19 4:42 ` Maria Shinoto
2016-12-20 20:07 ` Preventing Org from being installed by elpa (was: Remove Org from Emacs repository?) Karl Voit
2016-12-21 9:47 ` Preventing Org from being installed by elpa Christian Wittern
2016-12-21 13:25 ` Karl Voit
2016-12-21 23:06 ` Christian Wittern
[not found] ` <WM!fbba205c161c2d01739b0e77a8ccc521b0d6b80e8ba4b6108c74becbbd57ccbdb4003d644b63e3c98578a5b823582b17!@mailhub-mx3.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-21 12:40 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-21 13:27 ` Karl Voit
[not found] ` <WM!dd5bd1ff96755a23a0384200326165bb89b1fc0144607ae0870bc4237fe325fe903cdff298d097ecb318c066c7b3726c!@mailhub-mx1.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-21 14:55 ` Phillip Lord
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