From: Maria Shinoto <maria@shinoto.de>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository?
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 05:42:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ab8b649-81c8-08dd-84c6-3f781db75d0f@shinoto.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h960wuq9.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net>
Some thoughts from a beginner:
>> Now that Emacs has had package.el for some years, and Org is
>> installable directly from GNU ELPA, would it be a good idea to remove
>> Org from Emacs's source repository?
Beginners are overwhelmed with the options and traps, to do something
wrong. It is almost impossible to start with Emacs, despite the good
documentation. This list helped me out in the beginning, and I am glad.
I started using Emacs without deep technological background and without
any help around. I started using it because of org-mode, and I was _so_
happy that org-mode was included.
"All inclusive" packages are the best for beginners. Download, use as is
and get used to it. After that, one may start with Elisp and packages.
> I think the fact that this is an issue at all is an indication of a
> shortcoming in Emacs' package-management system. I wish package
> management happened "invisibly" (ie, (package-initialize) happened all
> by itself). Emacs then would come bundled with certain packages -- Org,
> Dired, Gnus, Tramp, etc.
The package manager is not difficult as soon as one has got used to
Emacs. But it is certainly not a good idea to ask people to use it when
they start trying Emacs. I am collecting my impressions on my way
getting used to Emacs and would like to write a short list of ideas to
make the package manager easier to use, if you like.
Best,
Maria
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-12-19 4:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-12-17 22:43 Remove Org from Emacs repository? Reuben Thomas
2016-12-18 9:22 ` aaermolov
2016-12-18 13:20 ` Carsten Dominik
2016-12-18 13:59 ` Rasmus
2016-12-18 14:41 ` Greg Troxel
2016-12-18 15:53 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-12-18 17:01 ` Reuben Thomas
[not found] ` <WM!f754fa008f759b442796c83f07a493b80e9d7ae4298a54f3fabf6b50a6e8ba9da1d361e87e441eae1fe9b1deeb824e68!@mailhub-mx3.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-19 15:32 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-19 15:45 ` Reuben Thomas
2016-12-18 17:11 ` Christian Moe
2016-12-18 18:46 ` Xebar Saram
2016-12-18 19:08 ` Lambda Coder
2016-12-19 18:09 ` Scott Randby
2016-12-18 19:21 ` Samuel Wales
2016-12-18 23:32 ` Reuben Thomas
2016-12-19 1:36 ` MaDhAt2r
2016-12-19 10:42 ` Achim Gratz
[not found] ` <WM!759fdf23a4a1bd7b46432ee60644e52fd7beb44781fd97109e1d38080c6611cbecaf3bf7f1ea49cdc6a1823f1a9663ec!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-19 17:14 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-19 18:53 ` Achim Gratz
[not found] ` <WM!fdb65752b64ef5461efbcb948e173a504edcf68a88cb151b38f9292793a941a33217a0cc771607f86b8962c90b171694!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-20 10:13 ` Phillip Lord
2017-01-16 8:36 ` Erik Colson
2016-12-19 1:52 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-12-19 4:42 ` Maria Shinoto [this message]
2016-12-20 20:07 ` Preventing Org from being installed by elpa (was: Remove Org from Emacs repository?) Karl Voit
2016-12-21 9:47 ` Preventing Org from being installed by elpa Christian Wittern
2016-12-21 13:25 ` Karl Voit
2016-12-21 23:06 ` Christian Wittern
[not found] ` <WM!fbba205c161c2d01739b0e77a8ccc521b0d6b80e8ba4b6108c74becbbd57ccbdb4003d644b63e3c98578a5b823582b17!@mailhub-mx3.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-21 12:40 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-21 13:27 ` Karl Voit
[not found] ` <WM!dd5bd1ff96755a23a0384200326165bb89b1fc0144607ae0870bc4237fe325fe903cdff298d097ecb318c066c7b3726c!@mailhub-mx1.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-21 14:55 ` Phillip Lord
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