From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Maria Shinoto Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository? Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 05:42:53 +0100 Message-ID: <6ab8b649-81c8-08dd-84c6-3f781db75d0f@shinoto.de> References: <87h960wuq9.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42368) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIpmw-0008A4-Fa for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:43:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIpmt-0006Z0-8e for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:43:02 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.134]:57796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIpms-0006YJ-U7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:42:59 -0500 Received: from Marias-iMac-2.fritz.box ([87.155.63.95]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKhTL-1cGuF72BvT-001wR1 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 05:42:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87h960wuq9.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Some thoughts from a beginner: >> Now that Emacs has had package.el for some years, and Org is >> installable directly from GNU ELPA, would it be a good idea to remove >> Org from Emacs's source repository? Beginners are overwhelmed with the options and traps, to do something wrong. It is almost impossible to start with Emacs, despite the good documentation. This list helped me out in the beginning, and I am glad. I started using Emacs without deep technological background and without any help around. I started using it because of org-mode, and I was _so_ happy that org-mode was included. "All inclusive" packages are the best for beginners. Download, use as is and get used to it. After that, one may start with Elisp and packages. > I think the fact that this is an issue at all is an indication of a > shortcoming in Emacs' package-management system. I wish package > management happened "invisibly" (ie, (package-initialize) happened all > by itself). Emacs then would come bundled with certain packages -- Org, > Dired, Gnus, Tramp, etc. The package manager is not difficult as soon as one has got used to Emacs. But it is certainly not a good idea to ask people to use it when they start trying Emacs. I am collecting my impressions on my way getting used to Emacs and would like to write a short list of ideas to make the package manager easier to use, if you like. Best, Maria