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From: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository?
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:42:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87shpkyzcy.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CAOnWdohoUWbDM3GQ2KZVAu1NaKu60-jB4+_E3z6JXPWeG+_NVA@mail.gmail.com

Reuben Thomas writes:
> ​Org is nearly 90kLOC, or about 6.5% of the total ELisp code currently in
> Emacs. It's bigger than CEDET, smaller than GNUS.

Within the whole of Emacs, an argument about size doesn't make any sense
at all.  It's also quite arbitrary, as some functionality that comes
with Org could or even should be factored out into their own packages
eventually.

> It's a project of its own with its own release cadence. It would be good to
> make Emacs less of a monolithic entity, which needs lengthy debugging
> cycles between releases, and has to choose between being out of date with
> various upstreams, or delaying to test integration of big packages.

That needs to be discussed with Emacs devs, not Org (or any other
package that fits a similar profile).  And it has been discussed in the
past, with somewhat interesting responses on both sides.

> Now that package.el is mature, there's no need for Emacs to include all
> this stuff in its source releases.

That assertion isn't universally accepted as true.  Org in particular
continues to show how the integration into Emacs as well as some
functionality in package.el itself is still lacking.  True packetization
of Emacs' "built-in" packages is further hindered by the fact that
package.el is currently solely "user-centric" and lacks the usual
facilities for curating package selection at the installation level.

> ​No, I was just testing the waters to see if a more modern approach to
> development and distribution might be popular. Apparently the answer is, at
> least, not yet!

Again, that's ultimately something for GNU Emacs to decide upon.  But it
doesn't come free nor is all the necessary infrastructure in place yet.


Regards,
Achim.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-12-19 10:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-17 22:43 Remove Org from Emacs repository? Reuben Thomas
2016-12-18  9:22 ` aaermolov
2016-12-18 13:20   ` Carsten Dominik
2016-12-18 13:59     ` Rasmus
2016-12-18 14:41     ` Greg Troxel
2016-12-18 15:53       ` Kaushal Modi
2016-12-18 17:01     ` Reuben Thomas
     [not found]       ` <WM!f754fa008f759b442796c83f07a493b80e9d7ae4298a54f3fabf6b50a6e8ba9da1d361e87e441eae1fe9b1deeb824e68!@mailhub-mx3.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-19 15:32         ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-19 15:45           ` Reuben Thomas
2016-12-18 17:11     ` Christian Moe
2016-12-18 18:46       ` Xebar Saram
2016-12-18 19:08         ` Lambda Coder
2016-12-19 18:09     ` Scott Randby
2016-12-18 19:21   ` Samuel Wales
2016-12-18 23:32     ` Reuben Thomas
2016-12-19  1:36       ` MaDhAt2r
2016-12-19 10:42       ` Achim Gratz [this message]
     [not found]         ` <WM!759fdf23a4a1bd7b46432ee60644e52fd7beb44781fd97109e1d38080c6611cbecaf3bf7f1ea49cdc6a1823f1a9663ec!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-19 17:14           ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-19 18:53             ` Achim Gratz
     [not found]               ` <WM!fdb65752b64ef5461efbcb948e173a504edcf68a88cb151b38f9292793a941a33217a0cc771607f86b8962c90b171694!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-20 10:13                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-01-16  8:36       ` Erik Colson
2016-12-19  1:52 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-12-19  4:42   ` Maria Shinoto
2016-12-20 20:07   ` Preventing Org from being installed by elpa (was: Remove Org from Emacs repository?) Karl Voit
2016-12-21  9:47     ` Preventing Org from being installed by elpa Christian Wittern
2016-12-21 13:25       ` Karl Voit
2016-12-21 23:06         ` Christian Wittern
     [not found]     ` <WM!fbba205c161c2d01739b0e77a8ccc521b0d6b80e8ba4b6108c74becbbd57ccbdb4003d644b63e3c98578a5b823582b17!@mailhub-mx3.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-21 12:40       ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-21 13:27         ` Karl Voit
     [not found]           ` <WM!dd5bd1ff96755a23a0384200326165bb89b1fc0144607ae0870bc4237fe325fe903cdff298d097ecb318c066c7b3726c!@mailhub-mx1.ncl.ac.uk>
2016-12-21 14:55             ` Phillip Lord

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