Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]")

[Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>]

Hi,

Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Rasmus,
>
> 2018ko maiatzak 7an, Rasmus-ek idatzi zuen:
>
>> 
>> They’d already have the "old" behavior if it’s enabled by default in
>> org.el.  
>
> Indeed, my suggestion is not an alternative to keeping (what is now
> called) org-tempo turned on by default indefinitely.  It is an
> alternative to turning org-tempo off suddenly.
>
>> Perhaps I’m too cruel or harsh after many years of dealing with the
>> Emacs-way, but I do think that such as change is adequatly documented
>> in ORG-NEWS and the manual.  (Days after a new release there will also
>> be a stackoverflow question for the Googlers).  
>
> Here I am much more conservative than you: I think that puzzling users
> so that they ask questions on stack overflow is an outcome that should
> be avoided if possible.  I also think experience shows that ORG-NEWS is
> missed by a significant fraction of users.

That is a nice thought, at least in theory.  I guess my worry is about the
"costs" of implementing such practices.

Perhaps we could ask people if they want to have the ORG-NEWS file
displayed when a new version of Org is installed. :)

> Besides, I am a programmer not a writer so I believe in the power of
> code over prose :P

I am not a programmer, so perhaps therein lies the difference.


>> Customize-changed would bring up the changes to
>> org-structure-template-alist, which mentions Org Tempo.
>
> Interesting.  I didnʼt know about that function.  I just tried M-x
> customize-changed RET Org 9.0 RET.  That gives an error; it seems to
> only work based on emacs versions and not package versions.  Thatʼs
> unfortunate, it would have been nice if people who install org from ELPA
> could use the function to keep up with org changes independently from
> their emacs version.  (In fact, I just sent this as a feature request to
> the emacs bug tracker, #31383)

I did not know that.  Thanks.

Rasmus

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