From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]")
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 00:33:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87efin6qps.fsf@gmx.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CADn3Z2KBJqjyV2m+Nu7+gY_45N3qw8_X7RZ-HMGmuXRsU2HVXg@mail.gmail.com
Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> writes:
> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 8:02 PM Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Steve Downey <sdowney@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> Asking users to accept any breakage in the tool they use to get work
>> done
>> >> is a lot. Changes in UI in emacs are opt-in.
>> >>
>> >> Even if the change is the right thing to do.
>> >
>> > I think some of you (basically, anyone thinking we should enable "<s
>> > TAB" by default ;)) are missing the point.
>> >
>> >
>> > The first important thing to understand is that, even if we enable
>> > `org-tempo' by default, next Org release /will break/ for some of us.
>> >
>> > - It will break because `org-tempo' is only 99% backward-compatible. So
>> > anyone having customizing templates is bound to change them.
>> >
>> > - It will break because there are 9 other incompatible changes between
>> > 9.1 and 9.2.
>> >
>> > So, asking to load `org-tempo' by default just to avoid breaking users
>> > set-up is a wrong argument. It will only "protect" those among us that
>> > use "<s TAB" but didn't customize /and/ are not affected by the other
>> > incompatible changes. IOW, updating Org from 9.1 to 9.2 will not be
>> > smooth for everyone. No matter what `org-tempo' becomes.
>>
>> Nicolas, I have been wondering about something, reading all these posts,
>> irrespective of whether tempo is loaded by default or not (I don’t care).
>>
>> Do you think org-tempo should try to detect "old" versions of
>> org-structure-template-alist and give a better error if it sees one? I
>> don’t know what the "best practice" is this case...
>>
>
> Yes, it absolutely should.
Thanks. I guess it would be enough to check if the elements of the alist
are cons (newer Orgs) or lists (older orgs). A more "complex" procedure
could look for at the content of the ca?dr, I guess, but I don’t know if
that’s necessary.
Rasmus
--
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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-29 15:06 [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]") Jon Snader
2018-04-30 20:37 ` Richard Lawrence
2018-04-30 20:46 ` Peter Dewey Ore
2018-04-30 21:33 ` Michael Gauland
2018-04-30 21:46 ` Jon Snader
2018-04-30 22:25 ` Tim Cross
2018-04-30 22:35 ` Cook, Malcolm
2018-04-30 22:39 ` Jon Snader
2018-04-30 22:49 ` Kaushal Modi
2018-05-01 1:29 ` Alan Tyree
2018-05-01 14:07 ` Christophe Schockaert
2018-05-01 2:00 ` Tim Cross
2018-05-01 2:27 ` Steve Downey
2018-05-01 12:35 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-01 16:28 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-05 18:07 ` Rasmus
2018-05-06 20:34 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-06 22:11 ` Tim Cross
2018-05-07 22:30 ` Rasmus
2018-05-08 0:25 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08 7:36 ` Bastien
2018-05-13 20:52 ` Rasmus
2018-05-01 16:54 ` Cook, Malcolm
2018-05-05 18:01 ` Rasmus
2018-05-06 5:00 ` Carsten Dominik
2018-05-07 22:33 ` Rasmus [this message]
2018-05-08 7:37 ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:35 ` Rasmus
2018-05-05 23:26 ` Adrian Bradd
2018-05-05 23:37 ` Josiah Schwab
2018-05-08 7:31 ` Bastien
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-04-29 10:24 Bastien
2018-04-29 10:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-29 11:05 ` Bastien
2018-04-29 12:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-29 13:22 ` Bastien
2018-04-29 17:40 ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-04-29 20:56 ` Bastien
2018-04-29 22:05 ` Tim Cross
2018-04-29 22:31 ` Bastien
2018-04-29 22:27 ` Tim Cross
2018-04-29 23:03 ` Bastien
2018-04-30 10:29 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-30 14:03 ` Kevin Foley
2018-04-30 14:17 ` Kevin Foley
2018-05-05 17:20 ` Rasmus
2018-05-02 12:43 ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-08 6:23 ` Bastien
2018-05-05 17:17 ` Rasmus
2018-05-08 6:27 ` Bastien
2018-05-01 15:49 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-01 19:31 ` Eric S Fraga
2018-05-02 9:10 ` Rasmus Pank Roulund
2018-05-02 17:12 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-05 17:29 ` Rasmus
2018-05-06 20:02 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-07 22:53 ` Rasmus
2018-05-08 0:57 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08 6:56 ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:24 ` Rasmus
2018-05-08 6:52 ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:19 ` Rasmus
2018-05-08 6:34 ` Bastien
2018-04-30 8:47 ` Eric S Fraga
2018-05-08 8:37 ` Bastien
2018-04-29 13:24 ` Christian Moe
2018-04-29 13:55 ` Charles Millar
2018-04-29 19:08 ` Diego Zamboni
2018-04-29 20:30 ` Rasmus
2018-04-29 20:44 ` Bastien
2018-04-29 23:32 ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-02 20:24 ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-03 9:44 ` Carsten Dominik
2018-05-03 13:30 ` William Denton
2018-05-04 7:34 ` Neil Jerram
2018-05-04 7:45 ` Bastien
2018-05-05 1:37 ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-05 2:16 ` Tim Cross
2018-05-05 2:28 ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-05 2:37 ` Tim Cross
2018-05-05 12:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-05 17:33 ` Rasmus
2018-05-01 11:57 ` Nick Helm
2018-04-29 20:25 ` Rasmus
2018-04-29 21:53 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-02 9:03 ` Rasmus
2018-04-30 16:36 ` Steve Downey
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