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From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]")
Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 16:24:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87efi5dr3e.fsf@gmx.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y3gvrmku.fsf@gmail.com> (Aaron Ecay's message of "Tue, 08 May 2018 01:57:21 +0100")

Hi,

Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Rasmus,
>
> 2018ko maiatzak 7an, Rasmus-ek idatzi zuen:
>
>> 
>> They’d already have the "old" behavior if it’s enabled by default in
>> org.el.  
>
> Indeed, my suggestion is not an alternative to keeping (what is now
> called) org-tempo turned on by default indefinitely.  It is an
> alternative to turning org-tempo off suddenly.
>
>> Perhaps I’m too cruel or harsh after many years of dealing with the
>> Emacs-way, but I do think that such as change is adequatly documented
>> in ORG-NEWS and the manual.  (Days after a new release there will also
>> be a stackoverflow question for the Googlers).  
>
> Here I am much more conservative than you: I think that puzzling users
> so that they ask questions on stack overflow is an outcome that should
> be avoided if possible.  I also think experience shows that ORG-NEWS is
> missed by a significant fraction of users.

That is a nice thought, at least in theory.  I guess my worry is about the
"costs" of implementing such practices.

Perhaps we could ask people if they want to have the ORG-NEWS file
displayed when a new version of Org is installed. :)

> Besides, I am a programmer not a writer so I believe in the power of
> code over prose :P

I am not a programmer, so perhaps therein lies the difference.


>> Customize-changed would bring up the changes to
>> org-structure-template-alist, which mentions Org Tempo.
>
> Interesting.  I didnʼt know about that function.  I just tried M-x
> customize-changed RET Org 9.0 RET.  That gives an error; it seems to
> only work based on emacs versions and not package versions.  Thatʼs
> unfortunate, it would have been nice if people who install org from ELPA
> could use the function to keep up with org changes independently from
> their emacs version.  (In fact, I just sent this as a feature request to
> the emacs bug tracker, #31383)

I did not know that.  Thanks.

Rasmus

-- 
Dobbelt-A

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-21 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-29 10:24 [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]") Bastien
2018-04-29 10:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-29 11:05   ` Bastien
2018-04-29 12:01     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-29 13:22       ` Bastien
2018-04-29 17:40         ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-04-29 20:56           ` Bastien
2018-04-29 22:05             ` Tim Cross
2018-04-29 22:31               ` Bastien
2018-04-29 22:27         ` Tim Cross
2018-04-29 23:03           ` Bastien
2018-04-30 10:29             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-04-30 14:03               ` Kevin Foley
2018-04-30 14:17                 ` Kevin Foley
2018-05-05 17:20                 ` Rasmus
2018-05-02 12:43             ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-08  6:23               ` Bastien
2018-05-05 17:17             ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  6:27               ` Bastien
2018-05-01 15:49           ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-01 19:31             ` Eric S Fraga
2018-05-02  9:10             ` Rasmus Pank Roulund
2018-05-02 17:12               ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-05 17:29                 ` Rasmus
2018-05-06 20:02                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-07 22:53                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  0:57                       ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  6:56                         ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:24                         ` Rasmus [this message]
2018-05-08  6:52                   ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:19                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  6:49                 ` Smooth transition for modules (was: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]")) Bastien
2018-05-08  9:26                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  9:46                     ` Smooth transition for modules Bastien
2018-05-08 13:28                       ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  6:34             ` [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]") Bastien
2018-04-30  8:47         ` Eric S Fraga
2018-05-08  8:37       ` Bastien
2018-04-29 13:24     ` Christian Moe
2018-04-29 13:55     ` Charles Millar
2018-04-29 19:08     ` Diego Zamboni
2018-04-29 20:30       ` Rasmus
2018-04-29 20:44       ` Bastien
2018-04-29 23:32     ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-02 20:24       ` Bernt Hansen
2018-05-03  9:44         ` Carsten Dominik
2018-05-03 13:30           ` William Denton
2018-05-04  7:34             ` Neil Jerram
2018-05-04  7:45               ` Bastien
2018-05-05  1:37                 ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-05  2:16                   ` Tim Cross
2018-05-05  2:28                     ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-05  2:37                       ` Tim Cross
2018-05-05 12:42                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-05 17:33                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-01 11:57     ` Nick Helm
2018-04-29 20:25   ` Rasmus
2018-04-29 21:53     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-02  9:03       ` Rasmus
2018-04-30 16:36 ` Steve Downey
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-04-29 15:06 Jon Snader
2018-04-30 20:37 ` Richard Lawrence
2018-04-30 20:46   ` Peter Dewey Ore
2018-04-30 21:33     ` Michael Gauland
2018-04-30 21:46   ` Jon Snader
2018-04-30 22:25     ` Tim Cross
2018-04-30 22:35       ` Cook, Malcolm
2018-04-30 22:39       ` Jon Snader
2018-04-30 22:49         ` Kaushal Modi
2018-05-01  1:29           ` Alan Tyree
2018-05-01 14:07             ` Christophe Schockaert
2018-05-01  2:00         ` Tim Cross
2018-05-01  2:27           ` Steve Downey
2018-05-01 12:35             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-05-01 16:28               ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-05 18:07                 ` Rasmus
2018-05-06 20:34                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-06 22:11                     ` Tim Cross
2018-05-07 22:30                     ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  0:25                       ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-08  7:36                         ` Bastien
2018-05-13 20:52                         ` Rasmus
2018-05-01 16:54               ` Cook, Malcolm
2018-05-05 18:01               ` Rasmus
2018-05-06  5:00                 ` Carsten Dominik
2018-05-07 22:33                   ` Rasmus
2018-05-08  7:37                 ` Bastien
2018-05-21 14:35                   ` Rasmus
2018-05-05 23:26               ` Adrian Bradd
2018-05-05 23:37                 ` Josiah Schwab
2018-05-08  7:31               ` Bastien

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