* keeping track of sent emails in org? @ 2008-10-26 17:31 Bill White 2008-10-27 14:20 ` Sebastian Rose 2008-10-28 17:58 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2008-10-26 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emacs-orgmode Hi all - I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps messages could be filed under date headlines: * Sunday, October 26, 2008 ** message 1 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) ** message 2 recipient:subject [link] (or contents?) or somesuch. Thanks for any thoughts about this - bw -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-26 17:31 keeping track of sent emails in org? Bill White @ 2008-10-27 14:20 ` Sebastian Rose 2008-10-27 15:01 ` Sebastian Rose 2008-10-28 17:58 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-27 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Emacs-orgmode Hi Bill, links are one of the great features of Org-mode. Basically, links are added in two ways: a) Remember templates (automatic): You're reading an email in Gnus or another emacs mail reader, and want to add a note somewhere. To do this, you set up (once) a so called 'remember template'. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Remember.html#Remember how to do this. Org automatically adds a link to the mail/file/whatever, which brings you back to that mail/file/whatever, as you click on it. b) Semi-automatic: You want to add a link to an email/file/whatever to existing notes. To do this, visit the email/file/whatever and press 'C-c l' (org-store-link) to store a link to that location for later use. Back in your Org-file, you press 'C-c C-l' (org-insert-link), which provides you with a list of all stored links during your emacs session. You select the last one by pressing 'UP' once, and you're done. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html#Handling-links c) By hand: Also, you may add links to locations by hand. The syntax for links is described here: http://orgmode.org/manual/Hyperlinks.html#Hyperlinks Best regards, Sebastian Bill White wrote: > Hi all - > > I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. > One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message > link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from > gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: > > http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 > > Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a > remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps > messages could be filed under date headlines: > > * Sunday, October 26, 2008 > ** message 1 recipient:subject > [link] (or contents?) > ** message 2 recipient:subject > [link] (or contents?) > > or somesuch. > > Thanks for any thoughts about this - > > bw ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 14:20 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-27 15:01 ` Sebastian Rose 2008-10-27 18:11 ` Eric Schulte 2008-10-27 21:06 ` Bill White 0 siblings, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-27 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Emacs-orgmode Hi Bill, to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a question of the link format. If no one has done this until now, please share it here. I use gnus, but I still BCC myself to 'store' my outgoing mail :-) As for me, I'd prefer a way to keep my outgoing mails directly in gnus. Something like this should work: (setq org-remember-templates '(("sent-mails" ?m "* Mail sent %u\n %a\n" "organizer.org" "Sent"))) (defun my-store-link() "Docs for my-store-link" (org-remember ?m)) ;; the `m' is the short cut for the template. (add-hook 'your-hook-here 'my-store-link) I don't know how to suppress the interactive part of it (C-c C-c to store it away), but sometimes you might add a short note anyway. Regards, Sebastian Sebastian Rose wrote: > Hi Bill, > > > links are one of the great features of Org-mode. Basically, links are > added in two ways: > > a) Remember templates (automatic): > You're reading an email in Gnus or another emacs mail reader, and > want to add a note somewhere. To do this, you set up (once) a > so called 'remember template'. See > http://orgmode.org/manual/Remember.html#Remember how to do this. > Org automatically adds a link to the mail/file/whatever, which > brings you back to that mail/file/whatever, as you click on it. > > b) Semi-automatic: > You want to add a link to an email/file/whatever to existing notes. > To do this, visit the email/file/whatever and press 'C-c l' > (org-store-link) to store a link to that location for later use. > Back in your Org-file, you press 'C-c C-l' (org-insert-link), > which provides you with a list of all stored links during your > emacs session. You select the last one by pressing 'UP' once, and > you're done. > See http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html#Handling-links > > c) By hand: > Also, you may add links to locations by hand. The syntax for links > is described here: > http://orgmode.org/manual/Hyperlinks.html#Hyperlinks > > > > Best regards, > > Sebastian > > > > > > Bill White wrote: >> Hi all - >> >> I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. >> One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message >> link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from >> gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: >> >> http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 >> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 >> >> Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a >> remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps >> messages could be filed under date headlines: >> >> * Sunday, October 26, 2008 >> ** message 1 recipient:subject >> [link] (or contents?) >> ** message 2 recipient:subject >> [link] (or contents?) >> >> or somesuch. >> >> Thanks for any thoughts about this - >> >> bw > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 15:01 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-27 18:11 ` Eric Schulte 2008-10-27 21:17 ` Bill White 2008-10-27 21:06 ` Bill White 1 sibling, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2008-10-27 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: sebastian_rose; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: > Hi Bill, > > > to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a > mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your > 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a > question of the link format. > It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has been saved into a group and given an ID. If this has been done before with planner, then it should be fairly straightforward to examine the previous implementation and adapt it to org-mode. Or I could be horribly wrong. > > If no one has done this until now, please share it here. I use gnus, > but I still BCC myself to 'store' my outgoing mail :-) > As for me, I'd prefer a way to keep my outgoing mails directly in > gnus. > I'm straying slightly off topic here, but take a look at `gcc-self' under gnus:Group Parameters. It automatically saves a copy of outgoing mail into the group from which the mail was sent. I use the following to turn it on for all of my mail groups. (setq gnus-parameters '(("mail\\..*" (gcc-self . t)))) Cheers -- Eric > > > > Something like this should work: > > > (setq org-remember-templates > '(("sent-mails" ?m "* Mail sent %u\n %a\n" "organizer.org" "Sent"))) > > (defun my-store-link() > "Docs for my-store-link" > (org-remember ?m)) ;; the `m' is the short cut for the template. > > (add-hook 'your-hook-here 'my-store-link) > > > I don't know how to suppress the interactive part of it (C-c C-c to > store it away), but sometimes you might add a short note anyway. > > > > Regards, > > Sebastian > > Sebastian Rose wrote: >> Hi Bill, >> >> >> links are one of the great features of Org-mode. Basically, links are >> added in two ways: >> >> a) Remember templates (automatic): >> You're reading an email in Gnus or another emacs mail reader, and >> want to add a note somewhere. To do this, you set up (once) a >> so called 'remember template'. See >> http://orgmode.org/manual/Remember.html#Remember how to do this. >> Org automatically adds a link to the mail/file/whatever, which >> brings you back to that mail/file/whatever, as you click on it. >> >> b) Semi-automatic: >> You want to add a link to an email/file/whatever to existing notes. >> To do this, visit the email/file/whatever and press 'C-c l' >> (org-store-link) to store a link to that location for later use. >> Back in your Org-file, you press 'C-c C-l' (org-insert-link), >> which provides you with a list of all stored links during your >> emacs session. You select the last one by pressing 'UP' once, and >> you're done. >> See http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html#Handling-links >> >> c) By hand: >> Also, you may add links to locations by hand. The syntax for links >> is described here: >> http://orgmode.org/manual/Hyperlinks.html#Hyperlinks >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> >> >> >> Bill White wrote: >>> Hi all - >>> >>> I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. >>> One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus message >>> link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message from >>> gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: >>> >>> http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 >>> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 >>> >>> Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a >>> remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? Perhaps >>> messages could be filed under date headlines: >>> >>> * Sunday, October 26, 2008 >>> ** message 1 recipient:subject >>> [link] (or contents?) >>> ** message 2 recipient:subject >>> [link] (or contents?) >>> >>> or somesuch. >>> >>> Thanks for any thoughts about this - >>> >>> bw >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 18:11 ` Eric Schulte @ 2008-10-27 21:17 ` Bill White 2008-10-27 21:31 ` Chris McMahan ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2008-10-27 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> wrote: > Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: > >> Hi Bill, >> >> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a >> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a >> question of the link format. >> > > It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where > you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely > on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so > somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has > been saved into a group and given an ID. Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus nnml messages are, by default, of the form <group#nnmlFileName> rather than <messageID>. Message-ID is known and retrievable when gnus calls message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer works), but I'm not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's probably a FAQ) Cheers - bw -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:17 ` Bill White @ 2008-10-27 21:31 ` Chris McMahan 2008-10-27 21:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 8:56 ` Carsten Dominik 2 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Chris McMahan @ 2008-10-27 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bill White; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode In the same area, has anyone had any experience with the VM links in org mode? I cannot get the link to take me to the specified message in vm. I could be way off base here, but what is preventing Org mode from just using the remember code from Planner. That seems to work out very well, and would prevent org from reinventing the wheel. - Chris Bill White writes: >On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a >>> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >>> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a >>> question of the link format. >>> >> >> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links rely >> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >> been saved into a group and given an ID. > >Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. > >From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus >nnml messages are, by default, of the form <group#nnmlFileName> rather >than <messageID>. Message-ID is known and retrievable when gnus calls >message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer works), but I'm >not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. > >Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's >probably a FAQ) > >Cheers - > >bw >-- >Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw >"No ma'am, we're musicians." > > >_______________________________________________ >Emacs-orgmode mailing list >Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- ================================ Chris McMahan | cmcmahan@one.net ================================ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:17 ` Bill White 2008-10-27 21:31 ` Chris McMahan @ 2008-10-27 21:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-27 21:45 ` Richard Riley ` (2 more replies) 2008-10-29 8:56 ` Carsten Dominik 2 siblings, 3 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-27 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bill White; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: > On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to >>> such a >>> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >>> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's >>> just a >>> question of the link format. >>> >> >> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links >> rely >> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >> been saved into a group and given an ID. > > Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use message-id already, maybe others too. Maybe some gnus-enables person would like to look into this and create patches? - Carsten > > > From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus > nnml messages are, by default, of the form <group#nnmlFileName> rather > than <messageID>. Message-ID is known and retrievable when gnus calls > message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer works), but > I'm > not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. > > Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's > probably a FAQ) > > Cheers - > > bw > -- > Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw > "No ma'am, we're musicians." > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:35 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-27 21:45 ` Richard Riley 2008-10-27 21:49 ` Bill White 2008-10-27 23:12 ` Michael Ekstrand 2 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Richard Riley @ 2008-10-27 21:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode, Bill White Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: > >> On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to >>>> such a >>>> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >>>> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's >>>> just a >>>> question of the link format. >>>> >>> >>> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >>> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links >>> rely >>> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >>> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >>> been saved into a group and given an ID. >> >> Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. > > Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be > nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use > message-id already, maybe others too. gnus-summary-refer-article (message-id) But only from the same group summary it seems. I bet Sacha could have it done in minutes :-; ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-27 21:45 ` Richard Riley @ 2008-10-27 21:49 ` Bill White 2008-10-27 21:59 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-27 23:12 ` Michael Ekstrand 2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2008-10-27 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:35, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: > >> On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to >>>> such a >>>> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >>>> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's >>>> just a >>>> question of the link format. >>>> >>> >>> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >>> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links >>> rely >>> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >>> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >>> been saved into a group and given an ID. >> >> Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. > > Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be > nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use > message-id already, maybe others too. I know this link, generated by remember, works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:wri.d-wpt/<49062748.8030208@wolfram.com>][E-Mail from Soandso]] And this, generated from Sacha's code, also works from planner: [[gnus://nnml:archive.2008-10/<87skqhivq8.fsf@wolfram.com>][Eric Schulte: Re: %5BOrgmode%5D keeping track of sent emails in org?]] (I store this month's outgoing mail in ~/Mail/archive/2008-10) I don't know how planner's gnus:// link works, though. > Maybe some gnus-enables person would like to look into this and create > patches? Gnus-enabled and time-enriched :-) > - Carsten > >> From what I've seen so far in my cursory tours of org, links to gnus >> nnml messages are, by default, of the form <group#nnmlFileName> >> rather than <messageID>. Message-ID is known and retrievable when >> gnus calls message-sent-hook (which is how Sacha's link auto-filer >> works), but I'm not sure the nnml filename is known at that point. >> >> Can org create message-id links to gnus messages? (sorry, that's >> probably a FAQ) Cheers - bw -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:49 ` Bill White @ 2008-10-27 21:59 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-27 22:43 ` Bill White 0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-27 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bill White; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Bill White wrote: > On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:35, Carsten Dominik > <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: >> >>> On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> Hi Bill, >>>>> >>>>> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to >>>>> such a >>>>> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >>>>> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's >>>>> just a >>>>> question of the link format. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >>>> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links >>>> rely >>>> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >>>> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >>>> been saved into a group and given an ID. >>> >>> Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. >> >> Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be >> nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use >> message-id already, maybe others too. > > I know this link, generated by remember, works from planner: > > [[gnus://nnml:wri.d-wpt/<49062748.8030208@wolfram.com>][E-Mail from > Soandso]] > > And this, generated from Sacha's code, also works from planner: > > [[gnus://nnml:archive.2008-10/<87skqhivq8.fsf@wolfram.com>][Eric > Schulte: Re: %5BOrgmode%5D keeping track of sent emails in org?]] > > (I store this month's outgoing mail in ~/Mail/archive/2008-10) > > > I don't know how planner's gnus:// link works, though. This looks to me that the link needs to know in which group the message is located, so such links will probably get broken when you move the message. So when you create the link in a group, then move it to a different group or folder, does the link then still work? - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:59 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-27 22:43 ` Bill White 0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2008-10-27 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:59, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Bill White wrote: > >> On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 16:35, Carsten Dominik >> <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: >> >>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Bill, >>>>>> >>>>>> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to >>>>>> such a >>>>>> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >>>>>> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's >>>>>> just a >>>>>> question of the link format. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >>>>> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links >>>>> rely >>>>> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >>>>> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >>>>> been saved into a group and given an ID. >>>> >>>> Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. >>> >>> Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be >>> nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use >>> message-id already, maybe others too. >> >> I know this link, generated by remember, works from planner: >> >> [[gnus://nnml:wri.d-wpt/<49062748.8030208@wolfram.com>][E-Mail from >> Soandso]] >> >> And this, generated from Sacha's code, also works from planner: >> >> [[gnus://nnml:archive.2008-10/<87skqhivq8.fsf@wolfram.com>][Eric >> Schulte: Re: %5BOrgmode%5D keeping track of sent emails in org?]] >> >> (I store this month's outgoing mail in ~/Mail/archive/2008-10) >> >> >> I don't know how planner's gnus:// link works, though. > > This looks to me that the link needs to know in which group the > message is located, so such links will probably get broken when you > move the message. So when you create the link in a group, then move > it to a different group or folder, does the link then still work? I don't know - I never do that. Just a minute [fiddles with files...] So I went to the archive group in gnus, moved the message to nnml:temp via 'B m', then clicked the planner link to that message. The code called by the link eventually calls (gnus-summary-goto-article article-id nil t) where article-id is, in my case, the message-id. Somehow, gnus found that message and displayed it *in the archive group* (with an article ID number of -1) even though it isn't in that group anymore and I don't have gnus-registry enabled. There lurk gnus mysteries. Dunno whether that helps :-/ Cheers - bw -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-27 21:45 ` Richard Riley 2008-10-27 21:49 ` Bill White @ 2008-10-27 23:12 ` Michael Ekstrand 2008-10-28 1:35 ` Michael Ekstrand 2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Michael Ekstrand @ 2008-10-27 23:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1549 bytes --] Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: >> On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >>> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links >>> rely >>> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >>> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >>> been saved into a group and given an ID. >> >> Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. > > Can Gnus in general find messages by message-id? Then it would be > nice if we could do that. I believe the mhe interface does use > message-id already, maybe others too. > > Maybe some gnus-enables person would like to look into this and create > patches? I have some code that does this in my Gnus configuration. It is only known to work for NNML, however, and I believe it depends on the ID-tracking support used to enable the fancy-split-with-parent feature. It does, however, successfully find messages across groups. The Gnus registry could probably be used to enable similar support for other backends. I will try to get my code sane-ified and pushed to Worg sometime this week. - Michael -- mouse, n: A device for pointing at the xterm in which you want to type. Confused by the strange files? I cryptographically sign my messages. For more information see <http://www.elehack.net/resources/gpg>. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 196 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 204 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 23:12 ` Michael Ekstrand @ 2008-10-28 1:35 ` Michael Ekstrand 2008-11-03 11:18 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Michael Ekstrand @ 2008-10-28 1:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 804 bytes --] Michael Ekstrand <michael@elehack.net> writes: > I have some code that does this in my Gnus configuration. It is only > known to work for NNML, however, and I believe it depends on the > ID-tracking support used to enable the fancy-split-with-parent feature. > It does, however, successfully find messages across groups. > > The Gnus registry could probably be used to enable similar support for > other backends. > > I will try to get my code sane-ified and pushed to Worg sometime this > week. I've pushed the code to Worg now, it's available in org-hacks. - Michael -- mouse, n: A device for pointing at the xterm in which you want to type. Confused by the strange files? I cryptographically sign my messages. For more information see <http://www.elehack.net/resources/gpg>. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 196 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 204 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-28 1:35 ` Michael Ekstrand @ 2008-11-03 11:18 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-11-03 13:37 ` Michael Ekstrand 0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-11-03 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Ekstrand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:35 AM, Michael Ekstrand wrote: > Michael Ekstrand <michael@elehack.net> writes: >> I have some code that does this in my Gnus configuration. It is only >> known to work for NNML, however, and I believe it depends on the >> ID-tracking support used to enable the fancy-split-with-parent >> feature. >> It does, however, successfully find messages across groups. >> >> The Gnus registry could probably be used to enable similar support >> for >> other backends. Would it be possible to use the registry to make it possible to find messages anywhere in gnus, just by message id? - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-11-03 11:18 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-11-03 13:37 ` Michael Ekstrand 0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Michael Ekstrand @ 2008-11-03 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:35 AM, Michael Ekstrand wrote: >> Michael Ekstrand <michael@elehack.net> writes: >>> I have some code that does this in my Gnus configuration. It is only >>> known to work for NNML, however, and I believe it depends on the >>> ID-tracking support used to enable the fancy-split-with-parent >>> feature. >>> It does, however, successfully find messages across groups. >>> >>> The Gnus registry could probably be used to enable similar support >>> for >>> other backends. > > Would it be possible to use the registry to make it possible to find > messages anywhere in gnus, just by message id? Probably. I think there's a chance that the message will have fallen out of the registry if it's particularly old, and it may have problems in IMAP environments if a message has been moved by another client, but for general usage it should work fine, and in my estimation probably won't have more problems than the folder#index scheme. Note that I haven't actually used the Registry myself yet, merely read about it and thought "that looks interesting, but I don't need it yet, and it will probably not play well with my Unison synchronization." - Michael -- mouse, n: A device for pointing at the xterm in which you want to type. Confused by the strange files? I cryptographically sign my messages. For more information see <http://www.elehack.net/resources/gpg>. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 21:17 ` Bill White 2008-10-27 21:31 ` Chris McMahan 2008-10-27 21:35 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 8:56 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 12:21 ` Sebastian Rose ` (2 more replies) 2 siblings, 3 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bill White; +Cc: Michael Ekstrand, Ross Patterson, emacs-orgmode Org-Mode On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Bill White wrote: > On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 13:11, "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to >>> such a >>> mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your >>> 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's >>> just a >>> question of the link format. >>> >> >> It seems like this could get complicated as it depends on how/where >> you store your sent messages. Also, it looks like org-mode links >> rely >> on the gnus group, and article id to link back to an article, so >> somehow you would need a hook which runs after the sent article has >> been saved into a group and given an ID. > > Ah ha! Something was bugging me about org's links to gnus messages. In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. Could some of you please verify this change? Thanks to Ross and Michael for input, I looked at their code to implement this. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 8:56 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 12:21 ` Sebastian Rose 2008-10-29 11:27 ` Pete Phillips 2008-10-29 14:08 ` Mykola Nikishov 2008-10-29 15:17 ` Bernt Hansen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-29 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. > Could some of you please verify this change? How to? I did a `C-c l' in an outgoing message and a `C-c C-l' in an Org-file. The link created was: [[file:emacs/gnus/News/drafts/drafts/2::asdf][Test for outgoing mail link]] Is this, what's expected? Or do I have to set something up first? The link works. Regards, -- Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 Email: s.rose@emma-stil.de, sebastian_rose@gmx.de Http: www.emma-stil.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 12:21 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-29 11:27 ` Pete Phillips 2008-10-29 12:37 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Pete Phillips @ 2008-10-29 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastian Rose; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode >>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: Sebastian> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus >> articles. Could some of you please verify this change? Sebastian> How to? I did a `C-c l' in an outgoing message and a Sebastian> `C-c C-l' in an Org-file. The link created was: Sebastian> [[file:emacs/gnus/News/drafts/drafts/2::asdf][Test for Sebastian> outgoing mail link]] Sebastian> Is this, what's expected? Or do I have to set something Sebastian> up first? As far as I am aware, message ID's are generated by the MTA, not the MUA. Therefore I doubt that you can link to a message that hasn't been through the MTA. Certainly in mh-e, when I'm editing a draft, there is no Message-ID in the header, so I doubt if what Sebastien is trying to do above will work (unless gnus generates the ID during composition of the email ?) Pete ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 11:27 ` Pete Phillips @ 2008-10-29 12:37 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 13:07 ` Georg C. F. Greve 2008-10-29 17:41 ` Ross Patterson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 12:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pete Phillips; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Pete Phillips wrote: >>>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: > > Sebastian> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >>> In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus >>> articles. Could some of you please verify this change? > > Sebastian> How to? I did a `C-c l' in an outgoing message and a > Sebastian> `C-c C-l' in an Org-file. The link created was: > > Sebastian> [[file:emacs/gnus/News/drafts/drafts/2::asdf][Test for > Sebastian> outgoing mail link]] > > Sebastian> Is this, what's expected? Or do I have to set something > Sebastian> up first? > > As far as I am aware, message ID's are generated by the MTA, not the > MUA. Therefore I doubt that you can link to a message that hasn't been > through the MTA. Certainly in mh-e, when I'm editing a draft, there is > no Message-ID in the header, so I doubt if what Sebastien is trying to > do above will work (unless gnus generates the ID during composition of > the email ?) Sacha calls the link creating code in message-sent-hook, and I believe at this moment in time, the message-id is present. So `C-c l' before sending will not help. But a function in the hook cold get there. Here is an idea for storing links to sent messages in the outline- tree: Write a function that remembers the current location in the outline tree (by creating a marker), calls up a message buffer, and installs a special hook function that will create a link to the sent message and insert it back at the position in the outline tree where the email command was called. This could be made to work even from an agenda view. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 12:37 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 13:07 ` Georg C. F. Greve 2008-10-29 15:06 ` Christopher Suckling 2008-10-29 17:41 ` Ross Patterson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Georg C. F. Greve @ 2008-10-29 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 808 bytes --] Hi all, I just saw this thread and believe that http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/org-mairix.el might contain parts of the answer, at least. I've been trying to come up with a better solution, and kept meaning to come back to it, but haven't managed thus far. The fundamental problem of getting the message ID, which is sufficient for linking to an article through mairix search has been solved, though. Sorry for not being more helpful - hope it'll be useful anyways. Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve <greve@fsfeurope.org> Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) President +41 43 500 03 66 ext 400 Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 306 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 204 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 13:07 ` Georg C. F. Greve @ 2008-10-29 15:06 ` Christopher Suckling 0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Christopher Suckling @ 2008-10-29 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:07:57PM +0100, Georg C. F. Greve wrote: > > I just saw this thread and believe that > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/org-mairix.el > > might contain parts of the answer, at least. I've been trying to come up > with a better solution, and kept meaning to come back to it, but haven't > managed thus far. > > The fundamental problem of getting the message ID, which is sufficient > for linking to an article through mairix search has been solved, though. > For the very few people who use OS X, mutt, Quicksilver and org-mode, I've got a solution to this at http://claviclaws.net/org/ I use Quicksilver to trigger an AppleScript which send a key command to mutt, triggering the following macro: macro index,pager "I" "<pipe-message>/usr/bin/formail -X Message-ID -X Subject | cut -d\">\" -f1 | tr -d \"<\" | ~/.mutt/org-mairix-link.sh\n" This uses formail to pass the Message-ID and Subject to a shell script (available at above site) which in turn formats an org-mairix link and sends it to the Emacs kill-ring. Hope this might be of some use, Christopher ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 12:37 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 13:07 ` Georg C. F. Greve @ 2008-10-29 17:41 ` Ross Patterson 1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-29 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Pete Phillips wrote: > >>>>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >> >> Sebastian> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >>>> In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus >>>> articles. Could some of you please verify this change? >> >> Sebastian> How to? I did a `C-c l' in an outgoing message and a >> Sebastian> `C-c C-l' in an Org-file. The link created was: >> >> Sebastian> [[file:emacs/gnus/News/drafts/drafts/2::asdf][Test for >> Sebastian> outgoing mail link]] >> >> Sebastian> Is this, what's expected? Or do I have to set something >> Sebastian> up first? >> >> As far as I am aware, message ID's are generated by the MTA, not the >> MUA. Therefore I doubt that you can link to a message that hasn't been >> through the MTA. Certainly in mh-e, when I'm editing a draft, there is >> no Message-ID in the header, so I doubt if what Sebastien is trying to >> do above will work (unless gnus generates the ID during composition of >> the email ?) > > Sacha calls the link creating code in message-sent-hook, and I believe > at this moment in time, the message-id is present. So `C-c l' before > sending will not help. But a function in the hook cold get there. > > Here is an idea for storing links to sent messages in the outline- > tree: Write a function that remembers the current location in the > outline tree (by creating a marker), calls up a message buffer, and > installs a special hook function that will create a link to the sent > message and insert it back at the position in the outline tree where > the email command was called. This could be made to work even from an > agenda view. Maybe this would be best integrated with clocking time? IOW, the link will be added as a note to the headline the you are currently clocked into. Maybe it could even be integrated with an option to clock out and back into the same task adding the link to the clock out note. Just call me pie-in-the-sky-guy. :) Ross ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 8:56 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 12:21 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-29 14:08 ` Mykola Nikishov 2008-10-29 15:17 ` Bernt Hansen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Mykola Nikishov @ 2008-10-29 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. > Could some of you please verify this change? diff --git a/GettingThingsDone/MyLife.org b/GettingThingsDone/MyLife.org index 6fb33be..806c779 100644 --- a/GettingThingsDone/MyLife.org +++ b/GettingThingsDone/MyLife.org @@ -106,8 +106,8 @@ analyze. * TODO [#A] review SCHEDULED: <2008-11-21 пт> [2008-09-22 Mon 17:50] -[[gnus:nnmaildir%2Blocalhost:inbox#13179][Email from Lyudmyla]] -[[gnus:nnmaildir%2Blocalhost:bogofilter-unsure#1139][Email from Volodymyr]] +[[gnus:nnvirtual:inboxes#<74ED9393FA836744B9309ED04DC6725517FEB5@EX2-KBP1.synapse.com][Email from Lyudmyla +[[gnus:nnmaildir%2Blocalhost:inbox#<05D3ECB61D5F76479E5C33D99AB628F8A01D5C@EX2-KBP1.synapse.com][Email from Vo * TODO try [[deb:solfege]] :PROPERTIES: :CATEGORY: debian With org's revision 17c55f1b I can open linked messages with 'C-c C-o' when in org file. But I need more time to investigate two use cases: - message was moved into other group with 'B m' - gnus is not running when C-c C-o pressed > Thanks to Ross and Michael for input, I looked at their code to > implement this. +1 -- MAN-UANIC ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 8:56 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 12:21 ` Sebastian Rose 2008-10-29 14:08 ` Mykola Nikishov @ 2008-10-29 15:17 ` Bernt Hansen 2008-10-29 15:44 ` Carsten Dominik 2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode, Ross Patterson, Michael Ekstrand, Bill White Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus articles. > Could some of you please verify this change? > This works great! Thanks all -Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 15:17 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 15:44 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 15:47 ` Bernt Hansen 2008-10-29 16:08 ` Bernt Hansen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bernt Hansen Cc: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode, Ross Patterson, Michael Ekstrand, Bill White Good to hear. Another change in that release is that `org-link-frame-setup' has a new option for gnus, `org-gnus-no-new-news', also taken from Ross' code. I have not tested it, but I believe it should make jumping to a gnus message much faster as it will not try to get new news. - Carsten On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> In the git version, message ids are now used for links to gnus >> articles. >> Could some of you please verify this change? >> > > This works great! Thanks all > > -Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 15:44 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 15:47 ` Bernt Hansen 2008-10-29 16:08 ` Bernt Hansen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode, Ross Patterson, Michael Ekstrand, Bill White Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > Another change in that release is that `org-link-frame-setup' > has a new option for gnus, `org-gnus-no-new-news', also taken > from Ross' code. I have not tested it, but I believe it should > make jumping to a gnus message much faster as it will not try > to get new news. I hadn't noticed gnus being slow before so I don't think it was fetching news before jumping to the linked message ... but I could be wrong. :) -Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 15:44 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 15:47 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 16:08 ` Bernt Hansen 2008-10-29 17:39 ` Ross Patterson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik Cc: Michael Ekstrand, Ross Patterson, emacs-orgmode Org-Mode, Bill White Okay I spoke a bit too soon here. The message-id links work as well as the old links but if I move a message from one folder to another the old and new links both break. My link looks like this: [[gnus:INBOX#<87y707s8om.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca>][Email from Bernt Hansen: Test email]] but if I move the mail from my INBOX to INBOX.Test in my IMAP folder I need to change the INBOX# to INBOX.Test# for the link to work. Normally this isn't a problem for me - I don't move my mail around much. It get delivered directly to the target folder it is supposed to live in so I just link to the mail after it's in the final location - but I happened to try this with a message that wasn't filed and I linked to it before moving it. Sorry for the false report earlier... -Bernt Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > Good to hear. > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote: > >> >> This works great! Thanks all >> >> -Bernt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 16:08 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 17:39 ` Ross Patterson 2008-10-29 18:03 ` Bernt Hansen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-29 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes: > Okay I spoke a bit too soon here. > > The message-id links work as well as the old links but if I move a > message from one folder to another the old and new links both break. > > My link looks like this: > > [[gnus:INBOX#<87y707s8om.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca>][Email from Bernt Hansen: Test email]] > > but if I move the mail from my INBOX to INBOX.Test in my IMAP folder I > need to change the INBOX# to INBOX.Test# for the link to work. > > Normally this isn't a problem for me - I don't move my mail around > much. It get delivered directly to the target folder it is supposed to > live in so I just link to the mail after it's in the final location - > but I happened to try this with a message that wasn't filed and I linked > to it before moving it. > > Sorry for the false report earlier... I don't think the previous article number based links worked past a message folder move either, correct? Ross > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> Good to hear. >> >> On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote: >> >>> >>> This works great! Thanks all >>> >>> -Bernt >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 17:39 ` Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-29 18:03 ` Bernt Hansen 2008-10-29 18:08 ` Ross Patterson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ross Patterson; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Ross Patterson <me@rpatterson.net> writes: > Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes: > >> Sorry for the false report earlier... > > I don't think the previous article number based links worked past a > message folder move either, correct? No they did not. But the new links are better - I can just change the folder name to wherever I filed it and it works again - the old links changed the message number too and you'd have to hunt for the mail. -Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-29 18:03 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2008-10-29 18:08 ` Ross Patterson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-29 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes: > Ross Patterson <me@rpatterson.net> writes: > >> Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes: >> >>> Sorry for the false report earlier... >> >> I don't think the previous article number based links worked past a >> message folder move either, correct? > > No they did not. But the new links are better - I can just change the > folder name to wherever I filed it and it works again - the old links > changed the message number too and you'd have to hunt for the mail. Ah, I misunderstood your point! Sorry. :) Ross ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-27 15:01 ` Sebastian Rose 2008-10-27 18:11 ` Eric Schulte @ 2008-10-27 21:06 ` Bill White 1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2008-10-27 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: sebastian_rose; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode On Mon Oct 27 2008 at 10:01, Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Bill, > > > to add links to autgoing mails automatically, adding a link to such a > mail once should be enough, to add the right funciton to your > 'mail-send-hook' (?? don't no which hook really...) since it's just a > question of the link format. > > If no one has done this until now, please share it here. I use gnus, > but I still BCC myself to 'store' my outgoing mail :-) As for me, I'd > prefer a way to keep my outgoing mails directly in gnus. Thanks for your thoughts! I hope to have some time to look into this soon. Sacha's method adds a function to gnus's message-sent-hook. The function basically grabs message-id and other info from the message itself (using some built-in planner functions), runs a make-link function on the info, searches the current day's planner file for the right header, then uses 'insert' to put the link there. Cheers - bw -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-26 17:31 keeping track of sent emails in org? Bill White 2008-10-27 14:20 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2008-10-28 17:58 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-28 18:46 ` Ross Patterson 2008-10-28 20:14 ` Bill White 1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-28 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bill White; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode Hi, I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles in gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. Right now I would like to take a little step back and understand better what the original poster is trying to do. I can see that in an Emacs/Planner environment it makes sense to create links to sent emails on the days page. The reason for this is that the planner day page is not only used for listing the planned tasks for the day, but also as a way of creating a daily journal. Sacha Chua's blog shows that she is using it just like that, and I think this is one of te unique and great features of planner. However, the basic setup of Org is different. There is no equivalent of a daily page. The agenda views created by Org are dynamic and list tasks, and the tasks disappear when they are done. Yes, you can look at the achievements of a day by checking closed tasks and log messages, but still this is no equivalent to the planner day pages which is a document that can be edited and preserved for the future. Maybe you can create something similar with Org, but I think it is not straight forward. On the other hand, every decent email program does have a SENT folder, and an easy way to list the emails sent on a specific date. To me it seems that instead of creating a sequential list of links to emails for each day, it would be more interesting to create a way to collect links relating to a project or a task in the outline node of the project, or maybe in an attachment file of the project (if the list of emails is long). Just my 5 cents. - Carsten On Oct 26, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Bill White wrote: > Hi all - > > I'm looking into porting my planner/muse/gnus infrastructure to org. > One indispensible bit of code in my current system writes a gnus > message > link in the current day's planner file every time I send a message > from > gnus. It uses Sacha Chua's sacha/planner-gnus-track-sent method here: > > http://sachachua.com/notebook/wiki/2006.08.10.php#anchor-3 > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.wiki.general/6017 > > Has someone already written something like this for org? Perhaps a > remember-like mechanism that writes a link to, say, Email.org? > Perhaps > messages could be filed under date headlines: > > * Sunday, October 26, 2008 > ** message 1 recipient:subject > [link] (or contents?) > ** message 2 recipient:subject > [link] (or contents?) > > or somesuch. > > Thanks for any thoughts about this - > > bw > -- > Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw > "No ma'am, we're musicians." > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-28 17:58 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-28 18:46 ` Ross Patterson 2008-10-28 19:14 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-29 8:17 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-28 20:14 ` Bill White 1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-28 18:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 728 bytes --] Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in > particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles in > gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this > questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread > carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. Just to comment on this little bit, I have local modifications that make org links use the Messags-Id instead of the article number since article numbers changes often in my setup. I've been meaning to blog about it but since I haven't gotten to it, here's the file containing the necessary code just in case its useful to anyone. Ross [-- Attachment #2: rpatterson-org.el --] [-- Type: application/emacs-lisp, Size: 2589 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 204 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-28 18:46 ` Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-28 19:14 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-28 19:19 ` Ross Patterson 2008-10-29 8:17 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-28 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ross Patterson; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Ross, this looks interesting. Is this compatible with old links that might still use article numbers? If not, could it be made to be compatible? - Carsten On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Ross Patterson wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in >> particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles >> in >> gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this >> questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread >> carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. > > Just to comment on this little bit, I have local modifications that > make > org links use the Messags-Id instead of the article number since > article > numbers changes often in my setup. I've been meaning to blog about it > but since I haven't gotten to it, here's the file containing the > necessary code just in case its useful to anyone. > > Ross > > <rpatterson-org.el>_______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-28 19:14 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-28 19:19 ` Ross Patterson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-28 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > Hi Ross, > > this looks interesting. Is this compatible with old links that might > still use article numbers? If not, could it be made to be compatible? Yeah, it is compatible with existing links since the underlying gnus function that looks up articles accepts either kind of argument. When I implemented my changes I had the good intention to make whether to use article number or Message-Id a configuration option. But then again, I spend a lot of time on the road to heck. :) Ross > On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Ross Patterson wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> >>> I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in >>> particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles >>> in >>> gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this >>> questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread >>> carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. >> >> Just to comment on this little bit, I have local modifications that >> make >> org links use the Messags-Id instead of the article number since >> article >> numbers changes often in my setup. I've been meaning to blog about it >> but since I haven't gotten to it, here's the file containing the >> necessary code just in case its useful to anyone. >> >> Ross >> >> <rpatterson-org.el>_______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-28 18:46 ` Ross Patterson 2008-10-28 19:14 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 8:17 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-29 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ross Patterson, Michael Ekstrand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Org-Mode I have taken a brief look at Micheals code and at Ross code, which do similar things to extract the message ID and create a link to it. Michaels code creates a special new link type, but is seems to me that we should go with Ross here and simply modify the old gnus linking code to accept a message ID, and continue to use gnus: links. I like this, thanks a lot, lets see if this works better. If I understand Bill correctly, link creation will then also be easier since the message hook does know the id already. - Carsten On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Ross Patterson wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in >> particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles >> in >> gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this >> questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread >> carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. > > Just to comment on this little bit, I have local modifications that > make > org links use the Messags-Id instead of the article number since > article > numbers changes often in my setup. I've been meaning to blog about it > but since I haven't gotten to it, here's the file containing the > necessary code just in case its useful to anyone. > > Ross > > <rpatterson-org.el>_______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* Re: keeping track of sent emails in org? 2008-10-28 17:58 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-28 18:46 ` Ross Patterson @ 2008-10-28 20:14 ` Bill White 1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2008-10-28 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode On Tue Oct 28 2008 at 12:58, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > Hi, > > I think there are interesting ideas coming up in this tasks, in > particular the question if message IDs can be used to find articles in > gnus, even if they have been moved around. I am not sure if this > questions has been fully answered, but I have not read the thread > carefully enough yet, and certainly not tried Michaels code. > > Right now I would like to take a little step back and understand > better what the original poster is trying to do. I'm the OP; I think you captured it well in the rest of your message. Using planner/muse, I've come to think of the day page as the fundamental unit of information (though I suppose it can be used in other ways). What I do today is recorded on today's page - outgoing emails, notes, remember records; also, any planner items/projects/etc marked as 'done' are left behind on today's page. When a new day page is generated, all ongoing projects from the previous day migrate like a herd of elephants across the savannah to the new day page. My main use of that day-based information is in writing weekly and monthly reports - a collection of stuff I've done that I and others may find helpful now and in the distant future when all details have been forgotten. It seems to me so far that org doesn't have the same notion of a day page; perhaps the fundamental unit of information is the note? There seems to be a certain 'timeless' quality to org pages, aside from deadlines and schedules. That timelessness is disconcerting when coming from planner. [...snip...] > To me it seems that instead of creating a sequential list of links to > emails for each day, it would be more interesting to create a way to > collect links relating to a project or a task in the outline node of > the project, or maybe in an attachment file of the project (if the > list of emails is long). Indeed. There's surely no pressing need to implement a feature that isn't useful in org's philosophy of the universe. Perhaps if I can switch over to org and begin to think in its ways, I'll find a useful fundamental unit of information other than the day page and its date-based contents. Cheers - bw -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wolfram.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
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