From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: "M. ‘quintus’ Gülker" <mg@guelker.eu>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 08:39:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tufuozwj.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tufuu8ah.fsf@atlantis>
On 2021-11-29, at 19:27, M. ‘quintus’ Gülker <mg@guelker.eu> wrote:
> Am Montag, dem 29. November 2021 schrieb Karl Voit:
>> It seems to be the case that the name "Orgdown" is the reason why
>> the Org-mode community does not support the idea of an
>> implementation-agnostic definition of the syntax. Which is ... kinda
>> funny if you think about it.
>>
>> Well if the project is not working out, at least I made my point and
>> we continue to have all those misunderstandings and lack of Orgdown
>> support in 3rd party tools (because Org-mode is way too big).
>
> I think the project has value; better tooling outside of Emacs is
> something org can only profit from in my opinion. One point that has not
> been raised yet are scenarios of collaborative work; I would enjoy it
> quite a bit if I could work on documents together with people who do not
> like Emacs as an editor for whatever reason. Currently, org as a file
> format is pretty much excluded if collaboration is intended with someone
> who does not use Emacs. The natural choice in these cases is Markdown.
This!
>> Oh, there is a very large danger here of getting something that is
>> not compatible with Org-mode any more. I don't think that this would
>> be a good thing. At least the different flavors killed the fun of
>> Markdown for me.
>
> The astonishing thing is that most people manage to get along despite of
> the incompatibilities of the different Markdown flavours. Otherwise
> Markdown would not be such a success. Why is this? What can be learned
> from this for creating org tools outside of Emacs? Actually surveying
> this might be of interest.
>
> Maybe most documents are very simple files. README files for FLOSS
> projects, forum posts, blog posts. For such content the features where
> the Markdown implementations differ are usually not required. It
> suffices to use unstyled text, headings, code blocks, quotes, emphasis.
> That is it basically. org shines on documents where more is required --
> documentation, books, since recently scientific articles. Markdown’s
> common subset is not expressive enough for these documents, whereas for
> simple documents there is not much benefit in trading in Markdown for
> org. Thus, maybe it is more fruitful to try to market org(down) as a
> markup for complex documents, with the added benefit that it does
> incidentally also cover simple documents nicely on par with Markdown.
I agree. When I type Markdown (and I often do, in a few places),
I mainly use `backticks` (single and triple ones) for code etc.,
_italics_,
- sometimes
- bulleted
- lists,
> quotations (not very often),
and a
# Heading
on rare occasions. That's pretty much it.
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://mbork.pl
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-30 7:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-28 19:46 "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode Karl Voit
2021-11-28 21:34 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-28 21:39 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-11-28 21:50 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-11-28 22:25 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-28 22:57 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-11-28 23:16 ` Joost Kremers
2021-11-29 1:36 ` George Mauer
2021-11-29 3:25 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-29 7:13 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-11-28 23:24 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-29 3:25 ` Devin Prater
2021-12-26 14:54 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-29 5:41 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-29 12:18 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-29 12:36 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-28 22:42 ` Tim Cross
2021-11-29 13:19 ` Karl Voit
2021-11-29 15:12 ` Matt Price
2021-11-29 18:27 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-11-30 7:39 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2021-11-30 20:44 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode) Karl Voit
2021-11-30 22:28 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-11-30 22:50 ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-12-01 0:41 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-01 1:12 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-01 3:28 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-01 21:17 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode) M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-12-02 6:50 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis Eric S Fraga
2021-12-01 23:43 ` Karl Voit
2021-12-02 1:44 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-02 2:12 ` George Mauer
2021-12-02 8:07 ` Greg Minshall
2021-11-29 2:22 ` "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode Jim Porter
2021-11-29 2:33 ` Michael Ashton
2021-11-29 12:38 ` Max Nikulin
2021-11-29 12:58 ` Christophe Schockaert
2021-11-30 23:50 ` Samuel Wales
2021-11-30 23:56 ` Samuel Wales
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