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From: Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:19:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2021-11-29T14-12-55@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 875ysb7v1r.fsf@gmail.com

Hi Tim,

* Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karl,
>
> while I can appreciate the point you are making, I'm doubtful your
> suggestion will gain the traction necessary to work. 

You might be right. Only time will tell. ;-)

> To me, it feels a little like the frequent posts from RMS in the
> emacs-devel list where he gets upset when people refer to Linux
> instead of GNU Linux. 

I disagree here. 

Linux vs. GNU/Linux are two different names for the same thing.
Org-mode is an Elisp implementation and Orgdown is just a syntax
definition. So they are completely different things.

> To some extent, the distinction will be too subtle for many and
> often, it isn't clear whether an issue is a syntax definition
> (orgdown) or an implementation bug or just simply user
> misunderstanding.

It seems to be the case that the name "Orgdown" is the reason why
the Org-mode community does not support the idea of an
implementation-agnostic definition of the syntax. Which is ... kinda
funny if you think about it.

Well if the project is not working out, at least I made my point and
we continue to have all those misunderstandings and lack of Orgdown
support in 3rd party tools (because Org-mode is way too big).

> Perhaps we just need a name for the markup syntax which doesn't actually
> reference 'org' at all - it simply is the markup syntax which org
> happens to use. A completely separate name might avoid confusion and
> would make it very clear that the markup syntax is not org mode. Problem
> is, naming is terribly difficult and I have no suggestions on what would
> be a good name.

Oh, there is a very large danger here of getting something that is
not compatible with Org-mode any more. I don't think that this would
be a good thing. At least the different flavors killed the fun of
Markdown for me.

> I have not yet viewed your video, but will certainly be doing so. Again,
> agree with the sentiment of what your trying to do, just not convinced
> it is compatible with basic human nature. 

Maybe we need to differ between the Org-mode community with
potential bias and the main target group of people who did use
Markdown in the past and never have heard of Org-mode before?

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-29 13:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-28 19:46 "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode Karl Voit
2021-11-28 21:34 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-28 21:39   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-11-28 21:50     ` Tom Gillespie
2021-11-28 22:25 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-28 22:57   ` Tom Gillespie
2021-11-28 23:16     ` Joost Kremers
2021-11-29  1:36       ` George Mauer
2021-11-29  3:25       ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-29  7:13         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-11-28 23:24     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-29  3:25       ` Devin Prater
2021-12-26 14:54       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-29  5:41   ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-29 12:18     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-29 12:36       ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-28 22:42 ` Tim Cross
2021-11-29 13:19   ` Karl Voit [this message]
2021-11-29 15:12     ` Matt Price
2021-11-29 18:27     ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-11-30  7:39       ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-30 20:44       ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode) Karl Voit
2021-11-30 22:28         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-11-30 22:50         ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-12-01  0:41         ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-01  1:12           ` Tim Cross
2021-12-01  3:28           ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-01 21:17         ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode) M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-12-02  6:50           ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis Eric S Fraga
2021-12-01 23:43         ` Karl Voit
2021-12-02  1:44           ` Tim Cross
2021-12-02  2:12           ` George Mauer
2021-12-02  8:07           ` Greg Minshall
2021-11-29  2:22 ` "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode Jim Porter
2021-11-29  2:33   ` Michael Ashton
2021-11-29 12:38     ` Max Nikulin
2021-11-29 12:58     ` Christophe Schockaert
2021-11-30 23:50 ` Samuel Wales
2021-11-30 23:56   ` Samuel Wales

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