From: Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org>
To: Karl Voit <news2042@Karl-Voit.at>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:34:07 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <33B34C2A-DAE2-4C8E-91EE-7362ED9811A0@traduction-libre.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at>
Considering the total incompatibility between markdown and org-mode it does not seem to me that ’orgdown’ is a useful name. It will only confuse people and generate useless comments and counter-comments wherever org-mode syntax is mentioned.
Org-mode and its syntax bring users functions that are vastly superior to whatever markdown does, and we should not forget that markdown’s originator (at least the one who is still alive today) pretty much systematically despises free software and the free software movement on his blog…
Jean-Christophe Helary
> On Nov 29, 2021, at 4:46, Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> wrote:
>
> Hi Org-mode community,
>
> At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain why
> we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to
> the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode.
>
> I would like you to read my rationale and motivate you to use the term
> "Orgdown" for the syntax and "Orgdown1" for the first (very basic)
> level of Orgdown syntax elements.
>
> - The EmacsConf21 talk: https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/org-outside
> - Orgdown site: https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown (please contribute!)
> - My motivation article: https://karl-voit.at/2021/11/27/orgdown/
> - This is the longer version of my 12 minute EmacsConf21 video.
> - My personal copy of the video: https://tube.graz.social/w/bgJVfjPLQAoJwLJQZoo3Hu
>
>
> Just as a sneak preview (not as a replacement for my motivation article):
>
> Orgdown is and will be defined in a set of levels, starting with very
> basic Orgdown1 (or OD1 or O↓1 or ⧬1 - depending on your coolness
> factor of choice :-) )
>
> - OD1 → https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Orgdown-Levels.org
> - OD2 → will be defined in future
> - OD3 → will be defined in future
> - ...
> - OD∞ = Org-mode (by definition)
>
> Any OD-level needs to be compatible with Org-mode as implemented in
> Elisp for GNU/Emacs Org-mode according to https://orgmode.org. Any ODx
> is a sub-set of the syntax elements of ODy (with y>x).
>
> With introducing a new term specific for the syntax, we do get the
> benefit of getting a better way to handle Org-mode support in
> 3rd-party tools such as listed on
> https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Tool-Support.org
> (please extend!).
>
> Having a well-defined sub-set of Org-mode, I also do think that formal
> definitions of the Org-mode syntax will be easier to develop, starting
> with the very simple OD1 level.
>
> It would be awesome if we start referring to syntax support in
> 3rd-party tools with the corresponding OD levels.
>
> I want to emphasize that the goal of Orgdown is NOT and will never be
> something that is an alternative to our golden standard Org-mode. We
> will try hard not to get into the Markdown situation where you need to
> know the exact flavor of the markup in order to produce text.
>
> So far, the response was great at the conference and I do hope that
> this idea will get a life of its own, developing the standard further,
> bringing this magnificent lightweight markup to the digital world.
> This also eases some pain for users of GNU/Emacs when it comes to
> exchanging text-based data.
>
> Thanks for your support here!
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-28 21:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-28 19:46 "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode Karl Voit
2021-11-28 21:34 ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2021-11-28 21:39 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-11-28 21:50 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-11-28 22:25 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-28 22:57 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-11-28 23:16 ` Joost Kremers
2021-11-29 1:36 ` George Mauer
2021-11-29 3:25 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-29 7:13 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-11-28 23:24 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-29 3:25 ` Devin Prater
2021-12-26 14:54 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-29 5:41 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-29 12:18 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-29 12:36 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-28 22:42 ` Tim Cross
2021-11-29 13:19 ` Karl Voit
2021-11-29 15:12 ` Matt Price
2021-11-29 18:27 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-11-30 7:39 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-11-30 20:44 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode) Karl Voit
2021-11-30 22:28 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-11-30 22:50 ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-12-01 0:41 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-01 1:12 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-01 3:28 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-01 21:17 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode) M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-12-02 6:50 ` Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis Eric S Fraga
2021-12-01 23:43 ` Karl Voit
2021-12-02 1:44 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-02 2:12 ` George Mauer
2021-12-02 8:07 ` Greg Minshall
2021-11-29 2:22 ` "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode Jim Porter
2021-11-29 2:33 ` Michael Ashton
2021-11-29 12:38 ` Max Nikulin
2021-11-29 12:58 ` Christophe Schockaert
2021-11-30 23:50 ` Samuel Wales
2021-11-30 23:56 ` Samuel Wales
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