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From: Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it>
To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk>,
	emacs org-mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:50:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83eicfjw8o.fsf@yahoo.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33E4DC13-3B6B-4803-9F00-2FB440F912C1@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:55:54 +0200")

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Dan Davison wrote:
>
>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Dan Davison wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that the documentation concerning installation should be
>>>> made
>>>> more user-friendly. 
>>>> [...]
>>>> I suggest we provide a "quick and easy installation" section to the
>>>> manual, that shows people how to start using the latest version of
>>>> Org-mode without messing about with compilation and installation 
>>>
>>> If you have a recent release of Emacs, a version of Org-mode
>>> sufficient for all basic use is already included and you may
>>> skip the installation instructions and continue with section xxx,
>>> activation.
>>>
>>> However, Org-mode evolves fast.  Therefore, we do recommend to
>>> install
>>> the
>>> most recent release.
>>>
>>> Maybe we could actually have an Emacs command that will insert the
>>> basic stuff into .emacs 
>>> and optionally compile the Lisp files.

I disagree: the juice of speed (is Org-mode slow??) does not worth 
the squeeze of the problems arising from compilation:
+ different versions of Emacs that compile the files (!)
+ old .elc files left somewhere
+ the order of compilation (org.el is the *latest* file to be compiled
  [in my experience] so I had to compile twice)
+ the idle time & the disk usage during compilation

>>>
>>> The installation would be:
>>>
>>> - download and unpack tar file
>>> - emacs -l path-to-org.el
>>> - M-x org-install
>>>
>>> org-install would figure out where org.el is, add to .emacs 
>>> and query for compilation.  

I disagree. Better a variable that can be customized (and default
compile:nil). 
If newbie want speed they shall read the Emacs manual and be able to
customize a variable. 

>> Yes I wondered about making something like that yesterday (would it
>> make
>> sense to have emacs do everything, including the download?
>
> This rings a bell - I think Sebastian Rose implemented that already.
> Let search!
>
for the download part yes: contrib/org-track.el
not for editing .emacs.

Giovanni

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-27 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-26 13:33 [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions Dan Davison
2010-09-26 13:44 ` Thomas S. Dye
2010-09-26 13:52 ` A. Ryan Reynolds
2010-09-26 14:21 ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 14:52   ` Dan Davison
2010-09-26 15:01     ` Carsten Dominik
2010-09-26 15:02     ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 21:00       ` Rémi Vanicat
2010-09-27  6:23         ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 20:51     ` Adam
2010-09-26 14:51 ` John Hendy
2010-09-26 17:37 ` Achim Gratz
2010-09-26 18:22   ` Dan Davison
2010-09-26 19:27     ` Achim Gratz
2010-09-26 20:57       ` ELPA [WAS] " Dan Davison
2010-09-28 10:52         ` Scot Becker
2010-09-28 14:55           ` Jambunathan K
2010-09-28 17:48           ` ELPA Eric Schulte
2010-09-28 18:35             ` ELPA Sebastian Rose
2010-09-28 18:59             ` ELPA Achim Gratz
2010-09-28 19:09               ` ELPA Richard Riley
2010-09-28 20:43             ` ELPA Scot Becker
2010-09-27  6:26 ` [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions Carsten Dominik
2010-09-27  9:00   ` Dan Davison
2010-09-27  9:55     ` Carsten Dominik
2010-09-27 10:50       ` Giovanni Ridolfi [this message]
2010-09-27 12:55       ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-27 13:53         ` Dan Davison
2010-09-27 14:06           ` Sebastian Rose

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