From: Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it>
To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk>,
emacs org-mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:50:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83eicfjw8o.fsf@yahoo.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33E4DC13-3B6B-4803-9F00-2FB440F912C1@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:55:54 +0200")
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Dan Davison wrote:
>
>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Dan Davison wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that the documentation concerning installation should be
>>>> made
>>>> more user-friendly.
>>>> [...]
>>>> I suggest we provide a "quick and easy installation" section to the
>>>> manual, that shows people how to start using the latest version of
>>>> Org-mode without messing about with compilation and installation
>>>
>>> If you have a recent release of Emacs, a version of Org-mode
>>> sufficient for all basic use is already included and you may
>>> skip the installation instructions and continue with section xxx,
>>> activation.
>>>
>>> However, Org-mode evolves fast. Therefore, we do recommend to
>>> install
>>> the
>>> most recent release.
>>>
>>> Maybe we could actually have an Emacs command that will insert the
>>> basic stuff into .emacs
>>> and optionally compile the Lisp files.
I disagree: the juice of speed (is Org-mode slow??) does not worth
the squeeze of the problems arising from compilation:
+ different versions of Emacs that compile the files (!)
+ old .elc files left somewhere
+ the order of compilation (org.el is the *latest* file to be compiled
[in my experience] so I had to compile twice)
+ the idle time & the disk usage during compilation
>>>
>>> The installation would be:
>>>
>>> - download and unpack tar file
>>> - emacs -l path-to-org.el
>>> - M-x org-install
>>>
>>> org-install would figure out where org.el is, add to .emacs
>>> and query for compilation.
I disagree. Better a variable that can be customized (and default
compile:nil).
If newbie want speed they shall read the Emacs manual and be able to
customize a variable.
>> Yes I wondered about making something like that yesterday (would it
>> make
>> sense to have emacs do everything, including the download?
>
> This rings a bell - I think Sebastian Rose implemented that already.
> Let search!
>
for the download part yes: contrib/org-track.el
not for editing .emacs.
Giovanni
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-27 10:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-26 13:33 [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions Dan Davison
2010-09-26 13:44 ` Thomas S. Dye
2010-09-26 13:52 ` A. Ryan Reynolds
2010-09-26 14:21 ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 14:52 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-26 15:01 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-09-26 15:02 ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 21:00 ` Rémi Vanicat
2010-09-27 6:23 ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 20:51 ` Adam
2010-09-26 14:51 ` John Hendy
2010-09-26 17:37 ` Achim Gratz
2010-09-26 18:22 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-26 19:27 ` Achim Gratz
2010-09-26 20:57 ` ELPA [WAS] " Dan Davison
2010-09-28 10:52 ` Scot Becker
2010-09-28 14:55 ` Jambunathan K
2010-09-28 17:48 ` ELPA Eric Schulte
2010-09-28 18:35 ` ELPA Sebastian Rose
2010-09-28 18:59 ` ELPA Achim Gratz
2010-09-28 19:09 ` ELPA Richard Riley
2010-09-28 20:43 ` ELPA Scot Becker
2010-09-27 6:26 ` [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions Carsten Dominik
2010-09-27 9:00 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-27 9:55 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-09-27 10:50 ` Giovanni Ridolfi [this message]
2010-09-27 12:55 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-27 13:53 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-27 14:06 ` Sebastian Rose
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