From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Giovanni Ridolfi Subject: Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:50:47 +0200 Message-ID: <83eicfjw8o.fsf@yahoo.it> References: <87tylcy6gw.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk> <50AE8A48-F8C3-4358-88B2-25CF7A7D15E0@gmail.com> <87tylby319.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk> <33E4DC13-3B6B-4803-9F00-2FB440F912C1@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50024 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P0BIG-0005Ir-K1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:50:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P0BIF-0001dg-8j for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:50:48 -0400 Received: from slim-4c.inet.it ([213.92.5.127]:46184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P0BIE-0001dM-Uz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:50:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <33E4DC13-3B6B-4803-9F00-2FB440F912C1@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:55:54 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: Dan Davison , emacs org-mode mailing list Carsten Dominik writes: > On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Dan Davison wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> >>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Dan Davison wrote: >>> >>>> I think that the documentation concerning installation should be >>>> made >>>> more user-friendly. >>>> [...] >>>> I suggest we provide a "quick and easy installation" section to the >>>> manual, that shows people how to start using the latest version of >>>> Org-mode without messing about with compilation and installation >>> >>> If you have a recent release of Emacs, a version of Org-mode >>> sufficient for all basic use is already included and you may >>> skip the installation instructions and continue with section xxx, >>> activation. >>> >>> However, Org-mode evolves fast. Therefore, we do recommend to >>> install >>> the >>> most recent release. >>> >>> Maybe we could actually have an Emacs command that will insert the >>> basic stuff into .emacs >>> and optionally compile the Lisp files. I disagree: the juice of speed (is Org-mode slow??) does not worth the squeeze of the problems arising from compilation: + different versions of Emacs that compile the files (!) + old .elc files left somewhere + the order of compilation (org.el is the *latest* file to be compiled [in my experience] so I had to compile twice) + the idle time & the disk usage during compilation >>> >>> The installation would be: >>> >>> - download and unpack tar file >>> - emacs -l path-to-org.el >>> - M-x org-install >>> >>> org-install would figure out where org.el is, add to .emacs >>> and query for compilation. I disagree. Better a variable that can be customized (and default compile:nil). If newbie want speed they shall read the Emacs manual and be able to customize a variable. >> Yes I wondered about making something like that yesterday (would it >> make >> sense to have emacs do everything, including the download? > > This rings a bell - I think Sebastian Rose implemented that already. > Let search! > for the download part yes: contrib/org-track.el not for editing .emacs. Giovanni