From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Richard Riley <rileyrg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:01:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <11DCEC10-B532-4BAB-B721-3E3D4CBDCAC4@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zkv4wo9h.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk>
On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Dan Davison wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> Richard Riley <rileyrg@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>>> I think that the documentation concerning installation should be
>>> made
>>> more user-friendly. My impression is that the Org manual makes all
>>> this
>>> sound much harder than it needs to be, and I suspect that this is an
>>> entry-barrier for new Org users. For example, the first thing users
>>> encounter in the manual section is an instruction to edit a
>>> Makefile.
>>>
>>> I suggest we provide a "quick and easy installation" section to the
>>> manual, that shows people how to start using the latest version of
>>> Org-mode without messing about with compilation and installation (I
>>> rarely compile and have never "installed" Org-mode). It would also
>>> be
>>> helpful to include notes on how to find your ".emacs" file.
>>>
>>> This would involve the following changes to section 1.2
>>> Installation:
>>>
>>> 1. The first thing it should say would be along the lines of
>>> "A reasonably recent version of Org is included in Emacs. Are you
>>> sure you need the latest version of Org? If not, skip to the
>>> Activation section and start using Org!"
>>
>> I would not go that way. org moves very very quickly.
>>
>> I would have it in bold letters "we thoroughly recommend taking the
>> latest org release from git and here is how to do it (git pull with a
>> label)". Then if and when issues arise they can git pull as and
>> when the
>> fixes arrive.
>
> I do understand why you say this, but these are supposed to be easy
> instructions; they should not involve usage of any version control
> software.
>
>> I say this because some distros (debian being the prime example)
>> can be
>> very tardy with including latest versions.
>
> Yes, I agree. The org-latest.{zip,tgz} are what should be recommended
> (with the info caveat)
I think what we should recommend here is org.tar.gz and org.zip. There
are the latest release, usually no more that 1 or 2 months old and
stable.
Using the ..-latest files does carry this risk of making a beginner
install
a bad version. So if we go for beginners...
- Carsten
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-26 15:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-26 13:33 [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions Dan Davison
2010-09-26 13:44 ` Thomas S. Dye
2010-09-26 13:52 ` A. Ryan Reynolds
2010-09-26 14:21 ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 14:52 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-26 15:01 ` Carsten Dominik [this message]
2010-09-26 15:02 ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 21:00 ` Rémi Vanicat
2010-09-27 6:23 ` Richard Riley
2010-09-26 20:51 ` Adam
2010-09-26 14:51 ` John Hendy
2010-09-26 17:37 ` Achim Gratz
2010-09-26 18:22 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-26 19:27 ` Achim Gratz
2010-09-26 20:57 ` ELPA [WAS] " Dan Davison
2010-09-28 10:52 ` Scot Becker
2010-09-28 14:55 ` Jambunathan K
2010-09-28 17:48 ` ELPA Eric Schulte
2010-09-28 18:35 ` ELPA Sebastian Rose
2010-09-28 18:59 ` ELPA Achim Gratz
2010-09-28 19:09 ` ELPA Richard Riley
2010-09-28 20:43 ` ELPA Scot Becker
2010-09-27 6:26 ` [PROPOSAL] Quick and easy installation instructions Carsten Dominik
2010-09-27 9:00 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-27 9:55 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-09-27 10:50 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
2010-09-27 12:55 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-27 13:53 ` Dan Davison
2010-09-27 14:06 ` Sebastian Rose
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