More conspicous header lines

More conspicous header lines

[User]

Hi,

Please consider adding this change to org mode:

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OrgMode#toc11


It makes it possible to show headers as full lines to separate the
different sections better. It's only effective if the user set a
background color to the org header line face.

Here's a demo of how it looks in practice:

http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=86735_Clipboard01_122_582lo.jpg

Re: More conspicous header lines

[Russell Adams]

I like! I may go change my faces to give it a whirl.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 06:27:00PM +0000, User wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Please consider adding this change to org mode:
> 
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OrgMode#toc11
> 
> 
> It makes it possible to show headers as full lines to separate the
> different sections better. It's only effective if the user set a
> background color to the org header line face.
> 
> Here's a demo of how it looks in practice:
> 
> http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=86735_Clipboard01_122_582lo.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: More conspicous header lines

[Markus Heller]

Russell Adams wrote:
> I like! I may go change my faces to give it a whirl.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 06:27:00PM +0000, User wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Please consider adding this change to org mode:
>>
>> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OrgMode#toc11
>>
>>
>> It makes it possible to show headers as full lines to separate the
>> different sections better. It's only effective if the user set a
>> background color to the org header line face.
>>
>> Here's a demo of how it looks in practice:
>>
>> http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=86735_Clipboard01_122_582lo.jpg

Hello,

how would I go about setting a background color to my org headline 
faces?  I'm an emacs/org newbie ...

Thanks
Markus

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Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

User <spamfilteraccount@gmail.com > writes:

> Please consider adding this change to org mode:
>
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OrgMode#toc11

Funny that you mention this because Lennart just told me about this 
tip and I was about to ask Orgers.

> http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=86735_Clipboard01_122_582lo.jpg

Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
thinks...

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

Markus Heller <hellerm2@gmail.com> writes:

> how would I go about setting a background color to my org headline
> faces?  I'm an emacs/org newbie ...

Go on a headline and M-x customize-face RET - then you can customize 
the background color of this face.

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 Bastien

Re: More conspicous header lines

[Markus Heller]

THankBastien wrote:
> Markus Heller <hellerm2@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> how would I go about setting a background color to my org headline
>> faces?  I'm an emacs/org newbie ...
> 
> Go on a headline and M-x customize-face RET - then you can customize 
> the background color of this face.
> 

Thanks. And where do I find ‘org-set-font-lock-defaults’?  It's not in 
my .emacs, and M-x customize-variable <Ret> doesn't know it either ...

I apologize if I'm asking stupid questions here ...

Thanks
Markus

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

Markus Heller <hellerm2@gmail.com> writes:

> THankBastien wrote:
>> Markus Heller <hellerm2@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> how would I go about setting a background color to my org headline
>>> faces?  I'm an emacs/org newbie ...
>>
>> Go on a headline and M-x customize-face RET - then you can customize
>> the background color of this face.
>>
>
> Thanks. And where do I find ‘org-set-font-lock-defaults’?  It's not in
> my .emacs, and M-x customize-variable <Ret> doesn't know it either ...

It's in org.el

C-h f org-set-font-lock-defaults RET will give you the location of the
function, you can just follow the link in the help buffer.

> I apologize if I'm asking stupid questions here ...

  "If you ask questions, you might look stupid.  But if you don't ask
   questions, you'll stupid forever." 

          -- I-can't-remember-who

-- 
 Bastien

Re: More conspicous header lines

[Rainer Stengele]

Bastien schrieb:
> User <spamfilteraccount@gmail.com > writes:
> 
>> Please consider adding this change to org mode:
>>
>> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OrgMode#toc11
> 
> Funny that you mention this because Lennart just told me about this 
> tip and I was about to ask Orgers.
> 
>> http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=86735_Clipboard01_122_582lo.jpg
> 
> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
> preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
> thinks...
> 
Looks good.
My "+" vote then.

Rainer

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Charles Philip Chan]

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Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes:

>> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have
>> different preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of
>> what everyone thinks...
>> 
> Looks good.
> My "+" vote then.

Agreed. A "+" vote for me too.

Charles

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Re: More conspicous header lines

[Paul Mead]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:

>
> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
> preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
> thinks...

What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?

Paul

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes:

> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
>> preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
>> thinks...
>
> What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?

Default.  

-- 
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Re: More conspicous header lines

[Paul Mead]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:

> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
>>> preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
>>> thinks...
>>
>> What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?
>
> Default.  

OK, I don't personally like the look of it, so I'd probably turn it off,
so assuming that's an option, why not?

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:

> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
>>> preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
>>> thinks...
>>
>> What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?
>
> Default.  

FWIW: my reticence to make this the default is that for some function
(e.g. org-agenda-set-restriction-lock) Org highlights headings and in
these cases, Org only highlights to the end of the heading, not to the
end of the entire line.  

These kind of functions highlight the headings *temporarily* so I think
it's okay to permanently highlight the entire line when org-level-* has
a background value...  but maybe it somehow breaks visual consistency,
I'm not sure.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

--- Gio 23/7/09, Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> ha scritto:
> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com>
> writes:
> >
> >>
> >> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but
> >> since we all have different
> >> preferences for such things, it's good to have a
> >> sense of what everyone thinks...
> >
> > What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or
> *default*?
> 
> Default.  
> 

No. (-)  ?-)

Cheers,
Giovanni

Re: More conspicous header lines

[User]

Bastien <bastienguerry <at> googlemail.com> writes:

> >
> > What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?
> 
> Default.  
> 


This may mislead some people. Adding this fix wouldn't change how
headers look by default. It would only make it possible to draw
header lines across the screen *if* the user sets a background
color for the header which is not usually the case, so it
wouldn't affect the average user if he doesn't want it.

Anyway, if we want to be super cautious then I recommend an
option for controlling this. If the option is set then the \xa is
added to the header regexp, otherwise not.

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

User <spamfilteraccount@gmail.com> writes:

> Bastien <bastienguerry <at> googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> >
>> > What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?
>> 
>> Default.  
>
>
> This may mislead some people. Adding this fix wouldn't change how
> headers look by default. It would only make it possible to draw
> header lines across the screen *if* the user sets a background
> color for the header which is not usually the case, so it
> wouldn't affect the average user if he doesn't want it.

Yes, thanks for precising this.

> Anyway, if we want to be super cautious then I recommend an
> option for controlling this. If the option is set then the \xa is
> added to the header regexp, otherwise not.

I think I will take this road, yes.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: More conspicous header lines

[Matthew Lundin]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:

> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
>>> preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
>>> thinks...
>>
>> What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?
>
> Default.  

-1 for default. 

I wouldn't mind if this becomes an option though. 

- Matt

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Nick Dokos]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
> >
> >>
> >> Please people vote.  It's a tiny change but since we all have different
> >> preferences for such things, it's good to have a sense of what everyone
> >> thinks...
> >
> > What are we voting for, to make this *possible* or *default*?
> 
> Default.  
> 

IIUC, the suggestion is to change the headlines regexp in
org-set-font-lock-defaults, but you are *not* suggesting that the face
definitions be changed to have a background color - is that correct? If
that's the case, I see little, if any, harm in the change (although,
like Paul Mead, I don't think I'm going to use the feature: I find it
obnoxiously loud.)

The point is that the above is an opt-in system: the regexp enables the
look, but nothing happens until the end-user customizes the face.

If you *are* suggesting changing the faces as well as the regexp, it
becomes an opt-out system, and I for one would object.

Thanks,
Nick

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> IIUC, the suggestion is to change the headlines regexp in
> org-set-font-lock-defaults, but you are *not* suggesting that the face
> definitions be changed to have a background color - is that correct? 

Correct.

> If that's the case, I see little, if any, harm in the change
> (although, like Paul Mead, I don't think I'm going to use the feature:
> I find it obnoxiously loud.)

I will create an option for this, the default will be to behave as Org
currently behaves.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Daniel Goldin]

I'm a non-programmer type trying to figure this out too. I looked into customize faces and font-lock in org group and couldn't find anything. Anybody?

d.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Markus Heller wrote:

> THankBastien wrote:
>> Markus Heller <hellerm2@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>
> Thanks. And where do I find ‘org-set-font-lock-defaults’?  It's not in  
> my .emacs, and M-x customize-variable <Ret> doesn't know it either ...
>
> I apologize if I'm asking stupid questions here ...
>
> Thanks
> Markus
>
>
>
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Re: Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

Hi Daniel,

Daniel Goldin <danielgoldin@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm a non-programmer type trying to figure this out too. I looked into
> customize faces and font-lock in org group and couldn't find
> anything. Anybody?

What are you trying to do exactly?

-- 
 Bastien

Re: More conspicous header lines

[Markus Heller]

Bastien wrote:
> Markus Heller <hellerm2@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> THankBastien wrote:
>>> Markus Heller <hellerm2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> how would I go about setting a background color to my org headline
>>>> faces?  I'm an emacs/org newbie ...
>>> Go on a headline and M-x customize-face RET - then you can customize
>>> the background color of this face.
>>>
>> Thanks. And where do I find ‘org-set-font-lock-defaults’?  It's not in
>> my .emacs, and M-x customize-variable <Ret> doesn't know it either ...
> 
> It's in org.el
> 
> C-h f org-set-font-lock-defaults RET will give you the location of the
> function, you can just follow the link in the help buffer.
> 
>> I apologize if I'm asking stupid questions here ...
> 
>   "If you ask questions, you might look stupid.  But if you don't ask
>    questions, you'll stupid forever." 
> 
>           -- I-can't-remember-who
> 

Bastien,

thanks you!  Worked like a charm :)

Cheers
Markus

Re: More conspicous header lines

[Bastien]

User <spamfilteraccount@gmail.com > writes:

> Please consider adding this change to org mode:
>
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OrgMode#toc11

So I have implemented this.

There is now the option `org-fontify-whole-heading-line'.  
When t, headlines will be fontified till the end of the lines.

This option defaults to nil.

Thanks Lennart and User (?) for bringing this up!

-- 
 Bastien