* bibliographystyle in scimax
@ 2018-03-03 8:22 Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2018-03-09 7:16 ` Simonyi András
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From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2018-03-03 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Kitchin; +Cc: Eric Fraga, emacs-orgmode list
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Dear John,
I am happy to tell you that your scimax
[[https://github.com/jkitchin/scimax ]] is a wonderful tool for emacs, for
org-mode and for exporting in LaTeX with references. I advice strongly
its use.
I am using Gnus and not mu4e to write emails and it works well now
thanks of the help of Eric Fraga.
This email is just about a detail. I guess it would be possible in
theory to get the bibliography style that I want in email as well as
in any other exported document, but it is not the case for the html
export and therefore not for html email in Gnus. It is too bad,
because apalike for example is a good option that avoids Jan von
Plato's reproach [[#vonplato2017][vonplato2017]]:
#+BEGIN_QUOTE
A great disservice is being done to scholarship by the reference system
prevalent today that has running numbers, usually in square brackets,
for the items in the references. The defects of this system are twofold.
First, it is enormously disturbing for the reader to be constantly
checking the list of references to see what article or book is being
referred to. The reader’s memory is burdened with information that
has no meaning elsewhere. Second, the awareness of who did what
and when is eroded little by little. If we read Gödel (1931) or Gentzen
(1936), we know what that is, contrary to a plain [104] and [90], say,
and similarly with hundreds of other works. Such couplings of names
and years give us a timeline that is indispensable for an awareness of
the development of logic or any other part of science. The thoughtless
“bibtex” square bracket numbering system of references is destroying
such awareness and should therefore be universally abandoned. It has
just one, totally inessential advantage: that it saves some space. In a
standard article, that may be a few lines, and in a book, a page or two.
#+END_QUOTE
So, do you think that it is possible to adopt the apalike bibliography
style in html document also?
Best wishes,
Jo.
* Bibliography
** Jan von Plato - {The Great Formal Machinery Works: Theories of Deduction and Computation at the Origins of the Digital Age}
:PROPERTIES:
:CUSTOM_ID: vonplato2017
:=TYPE=: book
:=KEY=: vonplato2017
:TITLE: {{The Great Formal Machinery Works: Theories of Deduction and Computation at the Origins of the Digital Age}}
:AUTHOR: {Jan von Plato}
:PUBLISHER: {Princeton University Press}
:ISBN: {0691174172,9780691174174}
:YEAR: {2017}
:ADDRESS: {Princeton}
:SERIES: {}
:EDITION: {}
:VOLUME: {}
:URL: {http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=78f2ef1addf9a3993f5601b9b4d6b5ba}
:END:
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* Re: bibliographystyle in scimax
2018-03-03 8:22 bibliographystyle in scimax Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2018-03-09 7:16 ` Simonyi András
2018-03-09 8:24 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Simonyi András @ 2018-03-09 7:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Vidal-Rosset; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
Dear Joseph,
I'm not familiar with scimax, but if it uses org-ref to handle
citations then you might give a try to citeproc-orgref
(https://github.com/andras-simonyi/citeproc-orgref) which is able to
format BibTeX citations in html exports according to any CSL style
(Chicago author-date is the default).
best wishes,
András
On 3 March 2018 at 09:22, Joseph Vidal-Rosset
<joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> I am happy to tell you that your scimax
> https://github.com/jkitchin/scimax is a wonderful tool for emacs, for
> org-mode and for exporting in LaTeX with references. I advice strongly
> its use.
>
> I am using Gnus and not mu4e to write emails and it works well now
> thanks of the help of Eric Fraga.
>
> This email is just about a detail. I guess it would be possible in
> theory to get the bibliography style that I want in email as well as
> in any other exported document, but it is not the case for the html
> export and therefore not for html email in Gnus. It is too bad,
> because apalike for example is a good option that avoids Jan von
> Plato’s reproach vonplato2017:
>
> A great disservice is being done to scholarship by the reference system
> prevalent today that has running numbers, usually in square brackets,
> for the items in the references. The defects of this system are twofold.
> First, it is enormously disturbing for the reader to be constantly
> checking the list of references to see what article or book is being
> referred to. The reader’s memory is burdened with information that
> has no meaning elsewhere. Second, the awareness of who did what
> and when is eroded little by little. If we read Gödel (1931) or Gentzen
> (1936), we know what that is, contrary to a plain [104] and [90], say,
> and similarly with hundreds of other works. Such couplings of names
> and years give us a timeline that is indispensable for an awareness of
> the development of logic or any other part of science. The thoughtless
> “bibtex” square bracket numbering system of references is destroying
> such awareness and should therefore be universally abandoned. It has
> just one, totally inessential advantage: that it saves some space. In a
> standard article, that may be a few lines, and in a book, a page or two.
>
> So, do you think that it is possible to adopt the apalike bibliography
> style in html document also?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jo.
>
> Bibliography
>
> [vonplato2017] Jan von Plato, The Great Formal Machinery Works: Theories of
> Deduction and Computation at the Origins of the Digital Age, Princeton
> University Press (2017).
>
>
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* Re: bibliographystyle in scimax
2018-03-09 7:16 ` Simonyi András
@ 2018-03-09 8:24 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2018-03-10 9:52 ` András Simonyi
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From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2018-03-09 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Simonyi András; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
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Le ven. 09 mars 2018 à 08:16:22 , Simonyi András
<andras.simonyi@gmail.com> a envoyé ce message:
> Dear Joseph,
>
> I'm not familiar with scimax, but if it uses org-ref to handle
> citations then you might give a try to citeproc-orgref
> (https://github.com/andras-simonyi/citeproc-orgref) which is able to
> format BibTeX citations in html exports according to any CSL style
> (Chicago author-date is the default).
>
> best wishes,
>
> András
Dear Andras,
Many thanks for this help. I just succeeded this morning to install
citeproc and citeproc-orgref (I ignored the Emacs command
/package-install-file/, thanks to you, I know it now!). Of course, I'm
using org-ref that is the best program that I know to manage references
(again, many thanks to John Kitchin for this amazing tool).
I am going to test citeprog-ref soon and I will inform you.
We stay in touch,
Best wishes,
Jo
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* Re: bibliographystyle in scimax
2018-03-09 8:24 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2018-03-10 9:52 ` András Simonyi
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From: András Simonyi @ 2018-03-10 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Vidal-Rosset; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
Dear Joseph,
I'm looking forward to hear about your experiences. FYI, out of
curiosity I tried out citeproc-orgref with mu4e (I don't use GNUS), and
it worked very much as expected except that I've found a typo/bug in the
default bibliography header for html export, which you might wish to
correct by setting the value of the variable
citeproc-orgref-html-bib-header
to something like
"<h2>Bibliography</h2>\n"
instead of the default syntactically incorrect
"<h2 class='citeproc-orgref-bib-h2'>Bibliography</h1>\n"
(I plan to have a new release sometime next week which will fix this
among other improvements.)
best wishes,
András
> Dear Andras,
> Many thanks for this help. I just succeeded this morning to install
> citeproc and citeproc-orgref (I ignored the Emacs command
> /package-install-file/, thanks to you, I know it now!). Of course, I'm
> using org-ref that is the best program that I know to manage references
> (again, many thanks to John Kitchin for this amazing tool).
> I am going to test citeprog-ref soon and I will inform you.
> We stay in touch,
> Best wishes,
> Jo
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