From: "Juan Manuel Macías" <maciaschain@posteo.net>
To: Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com>
Cc: orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Org-syntax: Intra-word markup
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 19:09:55 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87czmekem4.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+G3_PPgJyUwLZ9x56Dwq441ZdXFjnKrNagrKpGO0j3cJxhegg@mail.gmail.com> (Tom Gillespie's message of "Thu, 2 Dec 2021 10:11:14 -0800")
Tom Gillespie writes:
> I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but the edge cases for
> the current markup syntax are already hard enough to
> implement correctly, to the point where different parts of
> Org mode are inconsistent. Intra-word markup isn't viable
> because there simply isn't any sane way to parse something
> like *hello world*/hrm/oh no*. The other issue is that this will
> degrade parsing performance because almost every
> character could precede the start of a markup section.
>
> I recommend anyone suggesting solutions try to implement
> something that can parse the markup unambiguously with
> lots of nasty test cases. You will likely find that it is impossible
> to consistently tokenize markup, and that you have to hand
> write a whole bunch of heuristics, making Org syntax even
> harder to implement correctly.
>
> Any solution that suggests extending how =/*~+_ can be
> used gets a hard no from me. I could see teaching other
> exporters how to interpret \emph{hello}world, but trying for
> to have any sane behavior for something like
> why *hello*world oh no a wild askterisk*
> is not worth it.
I believe, that emphasis marks are a part of Org that can be very
shocking to new users. I mean, there is a series of behaviors that seem
obvious and trivial in the emphasized text, but that in Org are not
possible out of the box, unless you configure
`org-emphasis-regexp-components'. Three quick examples. This in Org is
not possible out of the box:
#+begin_example
[/emphasis/]
¡/emphasis/!
¿/Emphasis/?
#+end_example
Nor is it possible ---out of the box--- to extend emphasis beyond a
certain number of lines. New users who come from other forms of markup
maybe expect the obvious to be something like:
some-text begin-emphasis whatever-is-in-between end-emphasis more-text
Over time one ends up seeing these things more as a feature than as a
bug :-) But those little inconsistencies make the Org syntax a bit ugly,
IMHO. I can't think of how to improve that, though.
Best regards,
Juan Manuel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-02 19:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-02 10:50 Org-syntax: Intra-word markup Denis Maier
2021-12-02 11:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 11:30 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 11:36 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 11:42 ` Marco Wahl
2021-12-02 11:50 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 12:40 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 13:14 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 13:28 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:48 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-02 12:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 12:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
[not found] ` <87r1avtdjy.fsf@ucl.ac.uk>
2021-12-02 12:27 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 13:06 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-12-02 12:28 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 11:58 ` Timothy
2021-12-02 12:26 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 13:07 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 15:51 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-02 18:11 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-02 19:09 ` Juan Manuel Macías [this message]
2021-12-04 13:07 ` Org-syntax: emphasis and not English punctuation Max Nikulin
2021-12-04 16:42 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 20:47 ` Org-syntax: Intra-word markup Denis Maier
2021-12-02 22:44 ` Samuel Wales
2021-12-03 14:53 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-03 23:51 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-04 15:01 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-05 23:34 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-05 23:37 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 1:39 ` Samuel Wales
2021-12-02 19:03 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-02 19:34 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 23:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-02 23:24 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-03 14:24 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-03 15:01 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-04 15:57 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-04 17:53 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-04 18:37 ` John Kitchin
2021-12-04 21:16 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 10:57 ` Raw Org AST snippets for "impossible" markup Max Nikulin
2021-12-06 15:45 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 16:56 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-08 13:09 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-08 23:19 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-08 23:35 ` John Kitchin
2021-12-09 7:01 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-09 14:56 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-09 16:11 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-09 22:27 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-01-03 14:34 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-04 19:04 ` Org-syntax: Intra-word markup Timothy
2021-12-04 21:48 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-06 10:59 ` Max Nikulin
2022-01-28 14:52 ` Max Nikulin
2022-01-29 3:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 13:05 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-02-02 15:28 ` Max Nikulin
2022-02-02 20:01 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-02-03 12:10 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-06 11:01 ` Denis Maier
2022-01-28 12:12 ` [PATCH] Intra-word markup: \relax Max Nikulin
2022-01-28 13:13 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-02-02 15:42 ` Max Nikulin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-02 13:36 Org-syntax: Intra-word markup autofrettage
2021-12-02 15:24 ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-02 17:11 ` autofrettage
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