From: Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org>
To: "Juan Manuel Macías" <maciaschain@posteo.net>,
"Ihor Radchenko" <yantar92@gmail.com>
Cc: orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Org-syntax: Intra-word markup
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 14:28:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dc32689a-a49d-5f9b-d5ae-78263b10b745@mailbox.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sfvbjgho.fsf@posteo.net>
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Am 02.12.2021 um 14:14 schrieb Juan Manuel Macías:
> Ihor Radchenko writes:
>
>> Denis Maier<denismaier@mailbox.org> writes:
>>
>>>> Can you create an example of such scenario and post it as a bug?
>>>> Probably, we just need to strip all zero-width spaces at the basic ox.el
>>>> level.
>>> To be clear: That's not an org bug. It's just that latex won't be able
>>> such a word. If | is a zero width space, the word "hyphen|ation" is not
>>> the same as "hyphenation".
>>> 1. hyphenation
>>> 2. hyphen|ation
>> You are right for your example, but if we force the user to put
>> *hyphen*|ation to create bold emphasis, it should not be any different
>> compared to @@latex:\textbf{hyphen}ation@@. Meanwhile the*hyphen*|ation
>> gets exported as \textbf{hyphen}|ation keeping the zero width space.
> -- I would say that they are very random cases, and therefore
> difficult to reproduce. In the 'hyphenation' example, if we load the
> package showhypehns, you see that: /hyphen/ation (with zero width sp)
> and \emph{hyphen}ation they are cut in the same way. But differently
> from hyphenation (without emphasis) (compiled with LuaTeX). Anyway, I
> have come across some curious cases. For example, a long time ago I
> had defined a macro for text in other languages: #+MACRO: lg (eval (if
> (org-export-derived-backend-p org-export-current-backend 'latex)
> (concat "@@latex:\\foreignlanguage{@@" $1 "@@latex:}{@@" "\u200B" $2
> "\u200B" "@@latex:}@@") $2)) I needed to add before and after a zero
> width space, but doing so, the shape of the text was altered. That can
> be reproduced with this example: #+LaTeX_Header:
> \usepackage{showhyphens} #+LaTeX_Header:\usepackage{lipsum,multicol}
> #+LaTeX_Header:\usepackage[spanish]{babel} #+LaTeX_Header:
> \def\example{\lipsum[1]} #+LaTeX_Header: \def\zwsp{\char"200B{}}
> #+OPTIONS: toc:nil @@latex:\begin{multicols}{2}@@
> @@latex:\foreignlanguage{italian}{\zwsp\example\zwsp}@@
> @@latex:\foreignlanguage{italian}{\example}@@
> @@latex:\end{multicols}@@ Best regards, Juan Manuel
Thanks Juan Manuel. I should have tried that first. Hyphenation is the
same for both /hyphen/ation (with zero width sp) and
\emph{hyphen}ation. (Maybe I can nudge Hans Hagen to add some low level
trickery in context that removes the groups before doing the
hyphenation... but that's a different story.) Anyway, as Juan Manuel
shows there can be cases where zero width spaces cause problems.
Denis
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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-02 10:50 Org-syntax: Intra-word markup Denis Maier
2021-12-02 11:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 11:30 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 11:36 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 11:42 ` Marco Wahl
2021-12-02 11:50 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 12:40 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 13:14 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 13:28 ` Denis Maier [this message]
2021-12-02 12:48 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-02 12:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 12:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
[not found] ` <87r1avtdjy.fsf@ucl.ac.uk>
2021-12-02 12:27 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 13:06 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-12-02 12:28 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 12:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 11:58 ` Timothy
2021-12-02 12:26 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-02 13:07 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-02 15:51 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-02 18:11 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-02 19:09 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-04 13:07 ` Org-syntax: emphasis and not English punctuation Max Nikulin
2021-12-04 16:42 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 20:47 ` Org-syntax: Intra-word markup Denis Maier
2021-12-02 22:44 ` Samuel Wales
2021-12-03 14:53 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-03 23:51 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-04 15:01 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-05 23:34 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-05 23:37 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 1:39 ` Samuel Wales
2021-12-02 19:03 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-02 19:34 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-02 23:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-02 23:24 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-03 14:24 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-03 15:01 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-04 15:57 ` Denis Maier
2021-12-04 17:53 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-04 18:37 ` John Kitchin
2021-12-04 21:16 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 10:57 ` Raw Org AST snippets for "impossible" markup Max Nikulin
2021-12-06 15:45 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 16:56 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-08 13:09 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-08 23:19 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-08 23:35 ` John Kitchin
2021-12-09 7:01 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-09 14:56 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-09 16:11 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-09 22:27 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-01-03 14:34 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-04 19:04 ` Org-syntax: Intra-word markup Timothy
2021-12-04 21:48 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-06 10:59 ` Max Nikulin
2022-01-28 14:52 ` Max Nikulin
2022-01-29 3:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 13:05 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-02-02 15:28 ` Max Nikulin
2022-02-02 20:01 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-02-03 12:10 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-06 11:01 ` Denis Maier
2022-01-28 12:12 ` [PATCH] Intra-word markup: \relax Max Nikulin
2022-01-28 13:13 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-02-02 15:42 ` Max Nikulin
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2021-12-02 13:36 Org-syntax: Intra-word markup autofrettage
2021-12-02 15:24 ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-02 17:11 ` autofrettage
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