From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Org Tutorials need more structure
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 23:00:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131001230000.7f92814f@aga-netbook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bo38hgs6.fsf@gmail.com>
Dnia 2013-10-01, o godz. 13:34:17
David Rogers <davidandrewrogers@gmail.com> napisał(a):
> Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi Joseph,
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 09:22:02AM +0200, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote:
> >>
> >> Example: I am presently mainly interested to see if it is possible
> >> to use gnus to write a scientific letter with all conveniences of
> >> texlive. Of course I can open a tex file with letter class and
> >> send to my colleague a pdf file. But it would be more convenient
> >> to write an email and using conversions to html and png images to
> >> send to him directly this email. I guess it is possilbe to do it
> >> with gnus. But the documentation is esoteric: I hear about links,
> >> but how it works concretly with example understanble by a
> >> newby ... mystery. It is therefore frustrating and quickly
> >> discouraging.
> >
> > Your example is not beginner's tutorial at all! Nor is it something
> > that the manual can cover. For esoteric/specific needs like this
> > "advanced tutorials" are more appropriate.
>
> Part of this situation, part of what can be improved about the
> tutorials, is that a beginner cannot know whether his request belongs
> in a beginner's tutorial or not. Beginners cannot know ahead of time
> what's hard and what's easy, and beginners often wonder "Can it do
> that amazing thing I've been wishing I could do?" when they see a
> piece of software that's new to them.
Well, in case of Org-mode, surprisingly often the answer is "Yes, it
can." ;)
> Face it - Org-mode is ALREADY esoteric in itself, so it's quite
> reasonable that beginners will continue to expect it to be able to do
> esoteric things that don't happen to be the ones that are already
> easy - unless there's a convenient way for them to find out.
I woudn't call Org-mode "esoteric". For Emacs users, it is quite a
natural thing. For non-Emacs-users, maybe, but still, its simplicity
and newbie-friendliness is amazing (deceptively, I'd call it;)).
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Adam Mickiewicz University
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-01 21:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-28 6:11 Org Tutorials need more structure Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 7:22 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-09-28 8:37 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 10:30 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-28 11:59 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-09-28 12:36 ` Eric Schulte
2013-09-28 13:10 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-09-28 16:02 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-28 17:19 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-10-01 7:59 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-10-01 20:34 ` David Rogers
2013-10-01 21:00 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2013-09-28 8:48 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 10:09 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 14:26 ` Charles Millar
2013-09-28 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 17:14 ` Ian Barton
2013-09-28 17:43 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 17:48 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 19:06 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
2013-09-28 19:52 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-09-28 20:50 ` Charles Millar
2013-09-28 21:31 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 21:52 ` John Hendy
2013-09-28 23:14 ` Charles Millar
2013-09-28 23:29 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-09-29 0:29 ` John Hendy
2013-09-29 7:28 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-30 8:04 ` Alan Schmitt
2013-09-30 17:01 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-30 18:36 ` Peter Neilson
2013-09-30 21:07 ` Eduardo Ochs
2013-10-01 8:52 ` Michael Brand
2013-10-01 5:34 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-10-01 8:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-10-01 12:40 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-09-30 17:56 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-09-29 8:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-09-29 15:31 ` Matt Price
2013-09-30 7:25 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-10-01 14:08 ` William Denton
2013-10-02 1:10 ` M
2013-10-02 18:06 ` Alan E. Davis
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2013-09-29 16:43 Rustom Mody
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