From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com>
To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Org Tutorials need more structure
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:22:02 +0200 [thread overview]
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Hi Dominik, hi everyone,
Thank you for org-mode and thanks to all who contribute to this project.
I am a newby to org-mode , I am an emacs user for LaTeX, mainly, and I
would be happy to use more and more emacs, so org-mode seems very
attractive.
I imagine that writing a tutorial is a big work and I hope that I will not
offend people who have taken this time. But I must say that the org-mode
manual and the tutorials that I have tried to read are not enough
progressive for beginners and do not take care of difference between
interests of people.
Example: I am presently mainly interested to see if it is possible to use
gnus to write a scientific letter with all conveniences of texlive. Of
course I can open a tex file with letter class and send to my colleague a
pdf file. But it would be more convenient to write an email and using
conversions to html and png images to send to him directly this email. I
guess it is possilbe to do it with gnus. But the documentation is esoteric:
I hear about links, but how it works concretly with example understanble by
a newby ... mystery. It is therefore frustrating and quickly discouraging.
So, in my opinion, a good tutorial is divided into precise tasks and speaks
like that:
"You need to do that? So, follow me , from step to step, I will going to
show you how I succeed to do what you want to do, and by imitation, you
will also succeed ! " A good tutorial avoids to suppose that the reader is
already an expert.
In a word, too much tutorial in org-mode lack of pedagogical efforts.
Sorry to be speak so frankly, but I hope it will help.
Waiting your help with gnus - latex and conversion in html , etc. etc.
All the best
Jo.
2013/9/28 Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
> Hi everyone,
>
> today I looked at our tutorial page at
>
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html
>
> and came away with the feeling that that this page has become
> somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org. I think
> the page should start with a section of true recommendations
> for beginners, a path we tell every new users to take in order to
> learn about Org mode.
>
> Can we have a discussion here on how this path should look like?
> When you came to Org-mode as a newby, what were the three resources
> that really made an impression on by being accessible and
> providing feel and promise for digging deeper?
>
> - Carsten
>
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-28 6:11 Org Tutorials need more structure Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 7:22 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset [this message]
2013-09-28 8:37 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 10:30 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-28 11:59 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-09-28 12:36 ` Eric Schulte
2013-09-28 13:10 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-09-28 16:02 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-28 17:19 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-10-01 7:59 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-10-01 20:34 ` David Rogers
2013-10-01 21:00 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 8:48 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 10:09 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 14:26 ` Charles Millar
2013-09-28 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 17:14 ` Ian Barton
2013-09-28 17:43 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 17:48 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-28 19:06 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
2013-09-28 19:52 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-09-28 20:50 ` Charles Millar
2013-09-28 21:31 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-28 21:52 ` John Hendy
2013-09-28 23:14 ` Charles Millar
2013-09-28 23:29 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-09-29 0:29 ` John Hendy
2013-09-29 7:28 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-30 8:04 ` Alan Schmitt
2013-09-30 17:01 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-30 18:36 ` Peter Neilson
2013-09-30 21:07 ` Eduardo Ochs
2013-10-01 8:52 ` Michael Brand
2013-10-01 5:34 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-10-01 8:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-10-01 12:40 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013-09-30 17:56 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-09-29 8:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-09-29 15:31 ` Matt Price
2013-09-30 7:25 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-10-01 14:08 ` William Denton
2013-10-02 1:10 ` M
2013-10-02 18:06 ` Alan E. Davis
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2013-09-29 16:43 Rustom Mody
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