From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
To: Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@uni-tuebingen.de>,
"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>,
org-mode-email <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: wip-cite status question and feedback
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 13:00:40 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF-FPGO7eLr0zsO5QRkj3mboeb+TpE-i6=21DdK17aQgfUXFUw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lfmjzgeq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
First, thanks for your work on this Nicolas; really awesome to see the progress!
I'm just going to address your syntax/cite command question.
I don't have concerns about the other details, and I think others are
better positioned to comment on those ...
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:20 PM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
...
> I assume [cite:...] is the default citation style, defined at the
> citation processor's level. Styled citations override locally the
> default style. Again, a processor not handling a given style is expected
> to fallback to default style.
>
> As a consequence, there is no special syntax for "author-in-text" style.
> But we can suggest one for back-end processors. We might want to stick
> to the most complete one, BibLaTeX, IIUC, and /require/ processors to
> support, at least:
>
> [cite/text: ...]
> [cite/paren: ...]
>
> With this bare minimum, we ensure documents are somehow portable between
> processors, and, therefore, export back-ends.
...
So in this approach, we have a single core "cite" command, and
everything else is a namespaced extension?
My understanding, though, is that org "cite" would default to your
last example I quote above (in natibib, citep); that there's no need
for a dedicated "cite/paren" command, either reserved or not.
So by default, the "cite" command might yield something like this on
output (of course, depending on processor)?
- to natbib/latex = "\citep{doe18}"
For final HTML output (say using citeproc-el/org), something like:
- author-date = "(Doe, 2018)"
- number = "[3]"
- note = "2" (represented as a footnote or endnote, of course)
... etc.
And then we need a mechanism to do the textual variant (natbib citet);
"cite/text" makes sense to me.
Given how common that is (In natbib, it and citep are the two core
commands), is there any downside to reserving that?
And then I guess the "suppress-author" variant would be something like
"cite/year" or "cite/suppress-author"?
Bruce
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-25 17:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-10 9:29 wip-cite status question and feedback denis.maier.lists
2020-04-10 12:22 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-10 22:56 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-11 21:42 ` denis.maier.lists
2020-04-11 22:05 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-12 10:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-12 11:15 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-12 14:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-12 14:25 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-12 15:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-12 15:44 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-12 15:57 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-12 17:17 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-12 20:49 ` denis.maier.lists
2020-04-12 22:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-13 8:33 ` Stefan Nobis
2020-04-13 10:02 ` Denis Maier
2020-04-13 10:11 ` denis.maier.lists
2020-04-13 10:05 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-13 10:14 ` denis.maier.lists
2020-04-13 9:58 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-13 10:09 ` denis.maier.lists
2020-04-13 10:10 ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-13 10:46 ` Stefan Nobis
2020-04-15 5:54 ` Richard Lawrence
2020-04-15 10:07 ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-18 9:34 ` Richard Lawrence
2020-04-18 10:56 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-18 12:48 ` Richard Lawrence
2020-04-18 13:17 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-18 13:22 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-18 20:23 ` Denis Maier
2020-04-18 20:28 ` denis.maier.lists
2020-04-19 9:11 ` Richard Lawrence
2020-04-25 16:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-25 17:00 ` Bruce D'Arcus [this message]
2020-04-25 20:03 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-25 21:18 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-01 17:38 ` Richard Lawrence
2020-05-01 17:54 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-02 14:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
[not found] ` <2fbf14cf-ae8c-4f7c-27f7-33771aa99492@mailbox.org>
2020-05-02 16:34 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-02 17:24 ` Denis Maier
2020-05-02 13:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-02 13:45 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-02 20:45 ` Richard Lawrence
2020-04-29 9:14 ` Denis Maier
2020-05-02 9:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-02 11:53 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-18 20:38 ` Joost Kremers
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2020-04-07 15:15 Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-07 17:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-07 18:27 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-07 18:31 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-07 21:13 ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-08 0:01 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-08 9:16 ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-08 9:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-08 12:19 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-08 13:39 ` John Kitchin
2020-04-08 16:12 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-09 7:38 ` Albert Krewinkel
2020-04-09 9:30 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-09 9:46 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-09 10:05 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-09 23:17 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-10 1:17 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-10 5:38 ` Albert Krewinkel
2020-04-11 11:41 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-04-13 12:05 ` Gustav Wikström
2020-04-13 12:33 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-24 12:12 ` Bastien
2020-05-24 13:17 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-29 21:59 ` András Simonyi
2020-05-29 22:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-29 22:58 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-06-03 14:40 ` Bastien
2020-06-03 14:53 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-12-14 21:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-03-24 13:22 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-03-24 18:27 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-04-11 23:15 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-12 13:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-12 18:53 ` András Simonyi
2021-04-16 17:05 ` András Simonyi
2021-04-16 17:23 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-18 13:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-18 13:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-04-18 13:37 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-21 19:57 ` John Kitchin
2021-04-21 20:09 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-21 20:57 ` John Kitchin
2021-04-21 20:26 ` John Kitchin
2021-04-21 20:54 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-22 2:47 ` Timothy
2021-04-22 12:07 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-22 12:34 ` Timothy
2021-04-21 21:47 ` András Simonyi
2021-04-21 23:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-22 0:01 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-22 0:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-23 11:49 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-23 12:55 ` András Simonyi
2021-04-23 13:10 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-23 13:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-23 14:50 ` András Simonyi
2021-04-23 22:08 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-24 17:37 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-04-24 17:47 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-24 18:39 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-26 14:54 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-26 20:35 ` Denis Maier
2021-04-27 10:12 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-27 10:20 ` Timothy
2021-04-27 11:44 ` Denis Maier
2021-04-27 12:32 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-27 13:58 ` Denis Maier
2021-04-27 14:07 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-04-27 14:50 ` Denis Maier
2021-04-30 13:28 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-30 21:47 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-01 11:09 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-01 13:26 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-02 21:58 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-02 22:18 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-02 23:30 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-05 13:46 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-05 18:14 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-05-05 18:27 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-06 17:05 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-05-06 8:08 ` Denis Maier
2021-04-24 13:14 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-23 12:03 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-23 13:34 ` András Simonyi
2021-04-17 19:13 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-04-18 16:17 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-20 13:32 ` Matt Price
2021-04-21 17:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-21 17:53 ` Bruce D'Arcus
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