Editing table.el tables in Org files

Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Jacobo de Vera]

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Hi List,

I am trying to include to include a table with multi line cells in an org
file and found out from the manual that it has to be a table.el table. I
also read that those tables cannot be edited in org-mode directly, so I am
trying to use C-c ' to edit them. I was expecting, because of the wording
of the manual, that this would bring the whole table into a new buffer, as
it does for code snippets, but instead, what I get is a formula editor. Is
this normal?

What I have done so far is to create a new file myself, copy the table
over, edit there and copy back to org file, but it seems like there should
be an easier way to go about this. Is there one?

Thanks for this amazing piece of software that has made this hardcore vim
user for 10 years start using emacs :)

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Jacobo de Vera

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Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Bastien]

Hi Jacobo,

Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:

> What I have done so far is to create a new file myself, copy the
> table over, edit there and copy back to org file, but it seems like
> there should be an easier way to go about this. Is there one?

I'd suggest to simply wrap the table into a "#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE" block or
a "#+BEGIN_SRC text" source block.  That way C-c ' will do the right
thing.

Hope that helps,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Jacobo de Vera]

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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Hi Jacobo,
>
> Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:
>
> > What I have done so far is to create a new file myself, copy the
> > table over, edit there and copy back to org file, but it seems like
> > there should be an easier way to go about this. Is there one?
>
> I'd suggest to simply wrap the table into a "#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE" block or
> a "#+BEGIN_SRC text" source block.  That way C-c ' will do the right
> thing.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

It helps indeed, only now when I export it to html I get the ascii table
rather than the html table. I guess I'm supposed to wrap my table in an
example block or a source block only temporarily. But I still wonder if
this is what the manual refers to when it says that you can edit the table
with C-c ', that is, just the formulas, not the table itself.

Regards,

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Jacobo de Vera

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Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Bastien]

Hi Jacobo,

Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:

> It helps indeed, only now when I export it to html I get the ascii
> table rather than the html table. I guess I'm supposed to wrap my
> table in an example block or a source block only temporarily. But I
> still wonder if this is what the manual refers to when it says that
> you can edit the table with C-c ', that is, just the formulas, not
> the table itself.

This is a regression, fixed now.

Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Jacobo de Vera]

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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Hi Jacobo,
>
> Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:
>
> > It helps indeed, only now when I export it to html I get the ascii
> > table rather than the html table. I guess I'm supposed to wrap my
> > table in an example block or a source block only temporarily. But I
> > still wonder if this is what the manual refers to when it says that
> > you can edit the table with C-c ', that is, just the formulas, not
> > the table itself.
>
> This is a regression, fixed now.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

Great! That was fast, thanks!

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Jacobo de Vera

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Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Jacobo de Vera]

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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Hi Jacobo,
>
> Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:
>
> > It helps indeed, only now when I export it to html I get the ascii
> > table rather than the html table. I guess I'm supposed to wrap my
> > table in an example block or a source block only temporarily. But I
> > still wonder if this is what the manual refers to when it says that
> > you can edit the table with C-c ', that is, just the formulas, not
> > the table itself.
>
> This is a regression, fixed now.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

Hi,

I just tested the fix, but what seems to be happening now is that C-c '
will jump to formula editing in all cases, when a table.el table is
directly on the org buffer, when it is within an example block and when it
is within a source block. I understood the fix would do the opposite, i.e.,
have C-c ' edit the table itself in all these three cases. Did I
misunderstand or this still a bug?

Thanks,

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Jacobo de Vera

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Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Bastien]

Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:

> I just tested the fix, but what seems to be happening now is that C-c
> ' will jump to formula editing in all cases, when a table.el table is
> directly on the org buffer, when it is within an example block and
> when it is within a source block. I understood the fix would do the
> opposite, i.e., have C-c ' edit the table itself in all these three
> cases. Did I misunderstand or this still a bug?

Indeed, this is now fixed.  Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Jacobo de Vera]

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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:
>
> > I just tested the fix, but what seems to be happening now is that C-c
> > ' will jump to formula editing in all cases, when a table.el table is
> > directly on the org buffer, when it is within an example block and
> > when it is within a source block. I understood the fix would do the
> > opposite, i.e., have C-c ' edit the table itself in all these three
> > cases. Did I misunderstand or this still a bug?
>
> Indeed, this is now fixed.  Thanks!
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

Hi Bastien,

I just tested the second fix. It works as I was expecting it to work at
first, but only if the cursor is in one of the horizontal lines of a
table.el table when pressing C-c '. I can work with this just fine, but it
seems a bit confusing if one doesn't know, right?

I have also noticed that when coming back from the buffer where the table
is isolated (Using C-c ' on this buffer), the table gets indented in the
org file, but only the first time, then it stays there even when edited. Is
this expected?

Thanks for looking into this.

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Jacobo de Vera

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Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Bastien]

Hi Jacobo,

Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:

> I just tested the second fix. It works as I was expecting it to work
> at first, but only if the cursor is in one of the horizontal lines of
> a table.el table when pressing C-c '. I can work with this just fine,
> but it seems a bit confusing if one doesn't know, right?

Fixed, thanks.

> I have also noticed that when coming back from the buffer where the
> table is isolated (Using C-c ' on this buffer), the table gets
> indented in the org file, but only the first time, then it stays
> there even when edited. Is this expected?

Yes, I think so.

Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Editing table.el tables in Org files

[Jacobo de Vera]

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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Hi Jacobo,
>
> Jacobo de Vera <devel@jacobodevera.com> writes:
>
> > I just tested the second fix. It works as I was expecting it to work
> > at first, but only if the cursor is in one of the horizontal lines of
> > a table.el table when pressing C-c '. I can work with this just fine,
> > but it seems a bit confusing if one doesn't know, right?
>
> Fixed, thanks.
>
>
Hi Bastien,

I checked the last fix, everything seems to be working as expected now.
Thanks for the quick fixes.

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Jacobo de Vera

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