* Any iPhone devellopers here @ 2008-10-05 5:24 Carsten Dominik 2008-10-06 22:19 ` Peter Jones 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-05 5:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Org Mode List Hi, do we have any iPhone developer here on the list who would like to listen to my ideas about a (very simple) mobile arm (not version) of Org? - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Any iPhone devellopers here 2008-10-05 5:24 Any iPhone devellopers here Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-06 22:19 ` Peter Jones 2008-10-06 22:43 ` Jeff Mickey 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Peter Jones @ 2008-10-06 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > do we have any iPhone developer here on the list who would like to > listen to my ideas about a (very simple) mobile arm (not version) of > Org? I've been thinking about ways to get OrgMode tasks onto my iPhone. I haven't written any code yet, but was thinking about writing an Objective-C library that can parse org files. The problem, of course, is dealing with any Lisp, like recurring dates. I'd be very interested in hearing your ideas Carsten. -- Peter Jones, http://pmade.com pmade inc. Louisville, CO US ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Any iPhone devellopers here 2008-10-06 22:19 ` Peter Jones @ 2008-10-06 22:43 ` Jeff Mickey 2008-10-08 3:58 ` n810.... " Daniel M German 2008-10-10 21:13 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jeff Mickey @ 2008-10-06 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Peter Jones; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 18:19, Peter Jones <mlists@pmade.com> wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> do we have any iPhone developer here on the list who would like to >> listen to my ideas about a (very simple) mobile arm (not version) of >> Org? > > I've been thinking about ways to get OrgMode tasks onto my iPhone. I > haven't written any code yet, but was thinking about writing an > Objective-C library that can parse org files. The problem, of course, > is dealing with any Lisp, like recurring dates. > > I'd be very interested in hearing your ideas Carsten. So I had started to write a translator for OrgMode to OmniFocus on the iPhone, but I never got the WebDAV updates to function properly, and it didn't sync back (OF -> Org). This made it basically unusable and not so hot. If you jailbreak your phone, you can probably get a lot further on this project, as you can run any compiled executable that you bless with `ldid -S filename`. I'm not sure if anyone has tried compiling emacs on the iPhone, but I imagine that would be quite a feat in it's self. Though it's probably the only way to leverage all your org-mode elisp. If you could settle for some subset, you could probably rewrite what you needed in Obj-C. Any ideas you have for this I'd appreciate hearing about as well. // jeff ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* n810.... Re: Re: Any iPhone devellopers here 2008-10-06 22:43 ` Jeff Mickey @ 2008-10-08 3:58 ` Daniel M German 2008-10-10 21:13 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-10 21:13 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Daniel M German @ 2008-10-08 3:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Jeff> So I had started to write a translator for OrgMode to OmniFocus on the Jeff> iPhone, but I never got the WebDAV updates to function properly, and Jeff> it didn't sync back (OF -> Org). This made it basically unusable and Jeff> not so hot. Jeff> If you jailbreak your phone, you can probably get a lot further on Jeff> this project, as you can run any compiled executable that you bless Jeff> with `ldid -S filename`. I'm not sure if anyone has tried compiling Jeff> emacs on the iPhone, but I imagine that would be quite a feat in it's Jeff> self. Though it's probably the only way to leverage all your org-mode Jeff> elisp. If you could settle for some subset, you could probably Jeff> rewrite what you needed in Obj-C. Jeff> Any ideas you have for this I'd appreciate hearing about as well. I know this is totally off-topic, but related. I recently got a N810. The keyboard makes Emacs very usable. I now have org in it and it is great. I use subversion to syncronize devices. One think I really like is remember mode in it. It is way better to take notes in remember than in any note taking app. --dmg -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: n810.... Re: Re: Any iPhone devellopers here 2008-10-08 3:58 ` n810.... " Daniel M German @ 2008-10-10 21:13 ` Carsten Dominik 2008-10-14 17:18 ` Daniel M German 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-10 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: dmg; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Daniel, I think your message is not off-topic at all, and reminds me that, of course, any attempt to get limited mobile support is always destined to look pale against a mobile version of Emacs.... :-( - Carsten On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:58 AM, Daniel M German wrote: > > Jeff> So I had started to write a translator for OrgMode to > OmniFocus on the > Jeff> iPhone, but I never got the WebDAV updates to function > properly, and > Jeff> it didn't sync back (OF -> Org). This made it basically > unusable and > Jeff> not so hot. > > Jeff> If you jailbreak your phone, you can probably get a lot > further on > Jeff> this project, as you can run any compiled executable that you > bless > Jeff> with `ldid -S filename`. I'm not sure if anyone has tried > compiling > Jeff> emacs on the iPhone, but I imagine that would be quite a feat > in it's > Jeff> self. Though it's probably the only way to leverage all your > org-mode > Jeff> elisp. If you could settle for some subset, you could probably > Jeff> rewrite what you needed in Obj-C. > > Jeff> Any ideas you have for this I'd appreciate hearing about as > well. > > > I know this is totally off-topic, but related. > > I recently got a N810. The keyboard makes Emacs very usable. I now > have org in it and it is great. I use subversion to syncronize > devices. > > One think I really like is remember mode in it. It is way better to > take notes in remember than in any note taking app. > > --dmg > > > > > -- > -- > Daniel M. German > http://turingmachine.org/ > http://silvernegative.com/ > dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca > replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: n810.... Re: Re: Any iPhone devellopers here 2008-10-10 21:13 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-14 17:18 ` Daniel M German 2008-10-16 17:51 ` Thomas Baumann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Daniel M German @ 2008-10-14 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten> Hi Daniel, Carsten> I think your message is not off-topic at all, and reminds me that, of Carsten> course, Carsten> any attempt to get limited mobile support is always destined to look Carsten> pale Carsten> against a mobile version of Emacs.... :-( Carsten> - Carsten Here is my current setup and experiences using a Nokia N810. It might be interesting to those who are thinking about a mobile version of org. this might also be useful to those who use org in 2 different computers. For an idea of what org looks like in the n810 see: http://turingmachine.org/~dmg/temp/n810-org.png The N810 has an integrated keyboard. It makes a big difference with respect to the N800. There is no version of emacs with X and hildon support, so this makes it difficult to use emacs with a stylus (it runs, it is just unusable in my experience). I run emacs with no x support. with no-x support the stylus is dead, but on the other hand, the N810 has a keyboard, so you don't miss the stylus except for rapid movement of the mouse and access to the menus. It _could_ be better, but it is no show stopper. The first problem installing emacs in an N810 is its size. You need to reformat the internal card to ext2 or ext3. Otherwise you would be eating 1/2 of the internal memory with it. I run a reduced emacs configuration for the N810. I use a special .emacs for it. I have almost the same org configuration in the n810 as in my laptop. But I used them in slightly different ways. I have an org file that is mainly to be edited in the n810. I call it todo810.org By dedicating a file mainly to the n810 i simplify editing and synchronization across computers. Let me explain. I use svn to synchronize org files across laptop and 810. In general it works well, but there is always a chance for a conflict. It usually works well, except when tasks are added in two different computers svn detects a conflict (they are included exactly in the same area, and svn does not know which one should go first). To avoid this problem I have defined one special templates to be used in the n810. It adds tasks to the todo810.org file instead of my default org file. I find that it is more important to add tasks in the N810 than to organize them. So my priority is to add them, even if they are badly organized. I am more effective organizing them in my laptop. Several times a week, I connect my n810 to my home network, I login to it (via ssh) and I synchronize with my svn repository. If any conflict arises I can run emacs in an xterm (from my laptop) where I can easily and rapidly solve any conflict. On my N810 I can easily run remember, or the agenda view of org. They are very easy to use with its keyboard, which has a ctrl-key, but lacks alt, so I have to use ESC, which is bound to the "back arrow" in the front of the device. The Tab key does not exist in the keyboard, but it is available in the display in the osso-terminal status line. I am not a person that requires TODOS to be up-to-date to the minute. Perhaps what I like the most about my n810 is how simple it is to get info into my laptop. I can easily use remember to write a note, and I don't have to use a weird app/format than then I have to copy or retype into my usual notes. Among the main disadvantage of my setup is that my svn repository lives in my laptop. This means I can't easily synchronize it on the go. I need both devices connected to the network, and then play with the hosts file in the n810 to be able to force the IP of the repository. Another option i use is to create an ad-hoc network. Not ideal, but doable. I guess I could move it to a permanently connected computer, but I like my laptop to be independent of the network for most of my needs. I think that emacs + xournal + maemo mapper/Nokia map are the killer apps for this device. I frequently wonder if it might be possible to read mail using gnus using this device :) Finally, the font size is adjustable. -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: n810.... Re: Re: Any iPhone devellopers here 2008-10-14 17:18 ` Daniel M German @ 2008-10-16 17:51 ` Thomas Baumann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Thomas Baumann @ 2008-10-16 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi maybe you interested to test emacs23 for N810? I have been using the CVS version with X-support since I got my N810 (the main reason to buy the gadget anyway) together with org-mode. I will update emacs23 every now and then, and maybe at some time there will be hildon support :-) http://www.ws.chemie.tu-muenchen.de/groups/hydrogeo/tools/ Sychronisation is with unison (same page) Cheers Thomas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Any iPhone devellopers here 2008-10-06 22:43 ` Jeff Mickey 2008-10-08 3:58 ` n810.... " Daniel M German @ 2008-10-10 21:13 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2008-10-10 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jeff Mickey; +Cc: Peter Jones, emacs-orgmode Hi Peter, Jeff, thanks for your reactions. The idea I am having in mind actually goes back to an old idea by Tim O'Callaghan which he sent to emacs-orgmode on April 25, 2006 - oh my, is this really more than 2 year ago???? Here is the link to Tims message: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/139/focus=165 The basic idea is to *give up* on the idea of a mobile version of Org and to do something different: 1. Get entire Org-files or sections of it onto a mobile device. This could be an Org file, or simply an exported agenda list. For example, you could automate creation of a number of useful on-the-road agenda views, and make sure that these are automatically updated on your phone. 2. On the mobile device, use whatever means available to mark entries that you have acted upon in some way. Tim actually had involved involved plans to prepend certain letters to headlines, to trigger specific actions like switching to a specific TODO state etc. 3. Once synched back to your desktop computer, Emacs would read these files and do the required changes in the original Org files. Tim and I had a few iterations about this, I even wrote a prototype. But in the end the project died, I believe mainly because there was no good way to make sure that Emacs would be able to identify and find the correct entries. Tim's proposal has recently crept back into my mind, with two modifications: 1. We do now have a system to assign unique IDs to entries, so the cross-identification could be made to work. 2. I believe that Tim's idea to actually assign actions is too complex and will be hard to implement in a closed way that would not constantly beg for extension. Anyway, what if all we do it to record the IDs of entries that we want to have affected. To on the device you would only click/tab an entry and in this way mark it for further attention. And then later back at our Desktop/Laptop computer, Org will use the list of collected IDs to create an agenda view will all entries which were marked while on the go. Then you could go through this list, remember and record the actions and enter corresponding notes with the better input devices you have available in that environment. I am not sure if this is a good idea, maybe I am just rambling, or maybe I should get myself and N810, bite the bullet and cough up the 300 Eros or so. But as a poor-men's solution tha could be made to work on a large number of devices, maybe something like the setup described above would do the trick? As said, I am not sure if this is going anywhere, but comments are, as always, welcome. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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