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* Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
@ 2023-09-09 18:05 Jens Lechtenboerger
  2023-09-09 21:20 ` briangpowell
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Jens Lechtenboerger @ 2023-09-09 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Dear all,

does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open questions
[1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.

Currently, I like the default model of Coqui-AI TTS [2] and
Microsoft SpeechT5 [3] best.  Any suggestions for free and open TTS
implementations that produce even better results?  Other models of
Coqui-AI?  The solution should work without GPU support, which seems
to rule out Suno Bark [4].

The above models do not pronounce numbers/digits, and they fail to
pronounce most acronyms.  In a preprocessing step I could replace
those.  I use preprocessing anyways to get rid of Org markup that
might confuse the language models.  Anyone here who did that
already?  Maybe gruut [5] in conjunction with SSML [6] handling?

Any other suggestions?

Best wishes
Jens

[1] https://gitlab.com/oer/emacs-reveal/-/issues/20
[2] https://github.com/coqui-ai/TTS/
[3] https://huggingface.co/microsoft/speecht5_tts
[4] https://github.com/suno-ai/bark
[5] https://github.com/rhasspy/gruut
[6] https://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis11/


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• * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
    2023-09-09 18:05 Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources? Jens Lechtenboerger
  @ 2023-09-09 21:20 ` briangpowell
    2023-09-10 14:35   ` Jens Lechtenboerger
    2023-09-10 10:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
    2023-09-28 13:11 ` Jens Lechtenboerger
    2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
  From: briangpowell @ 2023-09-09 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: emacs-orgmode
  
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  I've turned OrgMode files into audio desktops
  
  It was pretty simple
  
  Just find the code that reveals what an icon is when you hover over it &
  pipe it to some text-to-speech engine & then on to usual routes
  
  On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 2:06 PM Jens Lechtenboerger <
  lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> wrote:
  
  > Dear all,
  >
  > does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
  > sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
  > generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open questions
  > [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.
  >
  > Currently, I like the default model of Coqui-AI TTS [2] and
  > Microsoft SpeechT5 [3] best.  Any suggestions for free and open TTS
  > implementations that produce even better results?  Other models of
  > Coqui-AI?  The solution should work without GPU support, which seems
  > to rule out Suno Bark [4].
  >
  > The above models do not pronounce numbers/digits, and they fail to
  > pronounce most acronyms.  In a preprocessing step I could replace
  > those.  I use preprocessing anyways to get rid of Org markup that
  > might confuse the language models.  Anyone here who did that
  > already?  Maybe gruut [5] in conjunction with SSML [6] handling?
  >
  > Any other suggestions?
  >
  > Best wishes
  > Jens
  >
  > [1] https://gitlab.com/oer/emacs-reveal/-/issues/20
  > [2] https://github.com/coqui-ai/TTS/
  > [3] https://huggingface.co/microsoft/speecht5_tts
  > [4] https://github.com/suno-ai/bark
  > [5] https://github.com/rhasspy/gruut
  > [6] https://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis11/
  >
  >
  
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• • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
      2023-09-09 21:20 ` briangpowell
    @ 2023-09-10 14:35   ` Jens Lechtenboerger
      0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
    From: Jens Lechtenboerger @ 2023-09-10 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: briangpowell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
    
    On 2023-09-09, briangpowell wrote:
    
    > I've turned OrgMode files into audio desktops
    >
    > It was pretty simple
    >
    > Just find the code that reveals what an icon is when you hover over it &
    > pipe it to some text-to-speech engine & then on to usual routes
    
    Thank you for the reply.  In my case (GNU/Linux), I guess that the
    usual text-to-speech engine is espeak.  I find its speech quality to
    be disappointing (much worse than the language models that I
    mentioned earlier).  I am looking for (near-) human quality...
    
    Best wishes
    Jens
    
    
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• * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
    2023-09-09 18:05 Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources? Jens Lechtenboerger
    2023-09-09 21:20 ` briangpowell
  @ 2023-09-10 10:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
    2023-09-10 14:39   ` Jens Lechtenboerger
    2023-09-28 13:11 ` Jens Lechtenboerger
    2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
  From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-09-10 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Jens Lechtenboerger; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
  
  > does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
  > sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
  > generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open questions
  > [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.
  
  Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
  users, not presentations. Still,
  http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html might
  be a good starting point for TTS options.
  
  -- 
  Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
  Org mode contributor,
  Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
  Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
  or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
  
  
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• • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
      2023-09-10 10:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
    @ 2023-09-10 14:39   ` Jens Lechtenboerger
      2023-09-10 20:08     ` Christian Thäter
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
    From: Jens Lechtenboerger @ 2023-09-10 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
    
    On 2023-09-10, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
    
    > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
    >
    >> does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
    >> sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
    >> generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open questions
    >> [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.
    >
    > Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
    > users, not presentations. Still,
    > http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html might
    > be a good starting point for TTS options.
    
    Thank you for the suggestion.  With espeak this indeed pronounces
    numbers and abbreviations but its audio quality it not good enough
    for my purposes.  I am looking for (near-) human voices...
    
    Best wishes
    Jens
    
    
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  • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
        2023-09-10 14:39   ` Jens Lechtenboerger
      @ 2023-09-10 20:08     ` Christian Thäter
        2023-09-11  8:33       ` Jens Lechtenboerger
        2023-09-11  9:14       ` briangpowell
        0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
      From: Christian Thäter @ 2023-09-10 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: emacs-orgmode
      
      On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:39:26 +0200
      Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> wrote:
      
      > On 2023-09-10, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
      > 
      > > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
      > >  
      > >> does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
      > >> sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
      > >> generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open
      > >> questions [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.  
      > >
      > > Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
      > > users, not presentations. Still,
      > > http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html
      > > might be a good starting point for TTS options.  
      > 
      > Thank you for the suggestion.  With espeak this indeed pronounces
      > numbers and abbreviations but its audio quality it not good enough
      > for my purposes.  I am looking for (near-) human voices...
      
      using mbrola is probably as good as possible with free software:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
      
      still not perfect, but much better than the builtin voices of espeak or
      festival (YYMV).
      
      > 
      > Best wishes
      > Jens
      > 
      
      
      
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    • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
          2023-09-10 20:08     ` Christian Thäter
        @ 2023-09-11  8:33       ` Jens Lechtenboerger
          2023-09-11  9:14       ` briangpowell
          1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
        From: Jens Lechtenboerger @ 2023-09-11  8:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Christian Thäter; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
        
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        On 2023-09-10, Christian Thäter wrote:
        
        > On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:39:26 +0200
        > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> wrote:
        >
        >> On 2023-09-10, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
        >> 
        >> > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
        >> >  
        >> >> does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
        >> >> sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
        >> >> generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open
        >> >> questions [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.  
        >> >
        >> > Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
        >> > users, not presentations. Still,
        >> > http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html
        >> > might be a good starting point for TTS options.  
        >> 
        >> Thank you for the suggestion.  With espeak this indeed pronounces
        >> numbers and abbreviations but its audio quality it not good enough
        >> for my purposes.  I am looking for (near-) human voices...
        >
        > using mbrola is probably as good as possible with free software:
        > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
        >
        > still not perfect, but much better than the builtin voices of espeak or
        > festival (YYMV).
        
        This sounds promising.  I’ll check it out.
        
        Many thanks
        Jens
        
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      • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
          2023-09-10 20:08     ` Christian Thäter
          2023-09-11  8:33       ` Jens Lechtenboerger
        @ 2023-09-11  9:14       ` briangpowell
          2023-09-11 12:06         ` Jude DaShiell
                                   ` (2 more replies)
          1 sibling, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread
        From: briangpowell @ 2023-09-11  9:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Christian Thäter; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
        
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        * eSpeak seems to focus on small footprints & a "format synthesis" method
        
        * Suggest using Festival with MBrola:
        
        https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/mbrola.html
        
        https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/
        
        and/or just install FestivalLite:
        
        apt-get install -f -y --force-yes flite
        
        * Note EmacSpeak {mentioned in another email} is written by OrgMode user &
        programmer TV Raman--not sure EmacSpeak will help you at all; but it might
        be interesting for you
        
        ** Klaus Knopper distributes some very interesting free software that
        includes an audio-desktop called ADRIANE that maybe you can look at--I'd
        love to hear what you find out if you do:
        
        https://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html
        
        ** Knopper invented the "run Linux entirely from a cdrom" craze--which
        still is very useful in many ways--suggest you give Knoppix & Adriane a look
        
        On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 4:02 AM Christian Thäter <ct@pipapo.org> wrote:
        
        > On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:39:26 +0200
        > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> wrote:
        >
        > > On 2023-09-10, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
        > >
        > > > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
        > > >
        > > >> does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
        > > >> sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
        > > >> generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open
        > > >> questions [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.
        > > >
        > > > Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
        > > > users, not presentations. Still,
        > > > http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html
        > > > might be a good starting point for TTS options.
        > >
        > > Thank you for the suggestion.  With espeak this indeed pronounces
        > > numbers and abbreviations but its audio quality it not good enough
        > > for my purposes.  I am looking for (near-) human voices...
        >
        > using mbrola is probably as good as possible with free software:
        > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
        >
        > still not perfect, but much better than the builtin voices of espeak or
        > festival (YYMV).
        >
        > >
        > > Best wishes
        > > Jens
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        
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      • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
            2023-09-11  9:14       ` briangpowell
          @ 2023-09-11 12:06         ` Jude DaShiell
            2023-09-11 12:27           ` tomas
            2023-09-11 12:07         ` Jude DaShiell
            2023-09-11 12:31         ` Jens Lechtenboerger
            2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
          From: Jude DaShiell @ 2023-09-11 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: briangpowell, Christian Thäter; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
          
          fenrir-screenreader is also available.
          https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux
          uses fenrir by default.
          Klaus Knopper's public key I haven't been able to find and none of his
          email addresses seem to be working any longer either for the ones I found.
          You have a chance of getting a good version of knoppix if you download
          with a good bittorrent client and make sure your encryption required is
          turned on and make sure of integrity checks.
          
          
          -- 
          Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
          "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
          soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
          Please use in that order."
          Ed Howdershelt 1940.
          
          On Mon, 11 Sep 2023, briangpowell wrote:
          
          > * eSpeak seems to focus on small footprints & a "format synthesis" method
          >
          > * Suggest using Festival with MBrola:
          >
          > https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/mbrola.html
          >
          > https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/
          >
          > and/or just install FestivalLite:
          >
          > apt-get install -f -y --force-yes flite
          >
          > * Note EmacSpeak {mentioned in another email} is written by OrgMode user &
          > programmer TV Raman--not sure EmacSpeak will help you at all; but it might
          > be interesting for you
          >
          > ** Klaus Knopper distributes some very interesting free software that
          > includes an audio-desktop called ADRIANE that maybe you can look at--I'd
          > love to hear what you find out if you do:
          >
          > https://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html
          >
          > ** Knopper invented the "run Linux entirely from a cdrom" craze--which
          > still is very useful in many ways--suggest you give Knoppix & Adriane a look
          >
          > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 4:02 AM Christian Thäter <ct@pipapo.org> wrote:
          >
          > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:39:26 +0200
          > > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> wrote:
          > >
          > > > On 2023-09-10, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
          > > >
          > > > > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
          > > > >
          > > > >> does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
          > > > >> sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
          > > > >> generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open
          > > > >> questions [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.
          > > > >
          > > > > Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
          > > > > users, not presentations. Still,
          > > > > http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html
          > > > > might be a good starting point for TTS options.
          > > >
          > > > Thank you for the suggestion.  With espeak this indeed pronounces
          > > > numbers and abbreviations but its audio quality it not good enough
          > > > for my purposes.  I am looking for (near-) human voices...
          > >
          > > using mbrola is probably as good as possible with free software:
          > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
          > >
          > > still not perfect, but much better than the builtin voices of espeak or
          > > festival (YYMV).
          > >
          > > >
          > > > Best wishes
          > > > Jens
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          
          
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        • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
              2023-09-11 12:06         ` Jude DaShiell
            @ 2023-09-11 12:27           ` tomas
              2023-09-11 13:52             ` Jude DaShiell
              2023-09-11 14:48             ` Jude DaShiell
              0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
            From: tomas @ 2023-09-11 12:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
              To: Jude DaShiell; +Cc: briangpowell, Christian Thäter, emacs-orgmode
            
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            On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 08:06:34AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
            > fenrir-screenreader is also available.
            > https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux
            > uses fenrir by default.
            > Klaus Knopper's public key I haven't been able to find and none of his
            > email addresses seem to be working any longer either for the ones I found.
            
            The knoppix signing keys seem to be around here:
            
              http://ftp.knoppix.net/wiki/Downloading_FAQ
            
            > You have a chance of getting a good version of knoppix if you download
            > with a good bittorrent client and make sure your encryption required is
            > turned on and make sure of integrity checks.
            
            Look here:
            
              http://knoppix.net/
            
            ...and consider buying a CD (yes, that's still a thing ;-) or a stick
            to support development.
            
            Cheers
            -- 
            t
            
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          • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
                2023-09-11 12:27           ` tomas
              @ 2023-09-11 13:52             ` Jude DaShiell
                2023-09-11 16:30               ` tomas
                2023-09-11 14:48             ` Jude DaShiell
                1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
              From: Jude DaShiell @ 2023-09-11 13:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
                To: tomas; +Cc: briangpowell, Christian Thäter, emacs-orgmode
              
              Why does this happen?
              
              The gpg command given in the faq does not return what the faq claims will
              be returned.
              Look for the public key of Klaus Knopper:
              bash: Look: command not found
              bash-5.1$  gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --search-keys "Klaus
              Knopper"
              gpg: error searching keyserver: Server indicated a failure
              gpg: keyserver search failed: Server indicated a failure
              bash-5.1$
              bash-5.1$
              
              
              -- 
              Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
              "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
              soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
              Please use in that order."
              Ed Howdershelt 1940.
              
              On Mon, 11 Sep 2023, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
              
              > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 08:06:34AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
              > > fenrir-screenreader is also available.
              > > https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux
              > > uses fenrir by default.
              > > Klaus Knopper's public key I haven't been able to find and none of his
              > > email addresses seem to be working any longer either for the ones I found.
              >
              > The knoppix signing keys seem to be around here:
              >
              >   http://ftp.knoppix.net/wiki/Downloading_FAQ
              >
              > > You have a chance of getting a good version of knoppix if you download
              > > with a good bittorrent client and make sure your encryption required is
              > > turned on and make sure of integrity checks.
              >
              > Look here:
              >
              >   http://knoppix.net/
              >
              > ...and consider buying a CD (yes, that's still a thing ;-) or a stick
              > to support development.
              >
              > Cheers
              >
              
              
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            • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
                  2023-09-11 13:52             ` Jude DaShiell
                @ 2023-09-11 16:30               ` tomas
                  2023-09-11 17:21                 ` Jude DaShiell
                  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
                From: tomas @ 2023-09-11 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
                  To: Jude DaShiell; +Cc: briangpowell, Christian Thäter, emacs-orgmode
                
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                On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:52:30AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
                > Why does this happen?
                > 
                > The gpg command given in the faq does not return what the faq claims will
                > be returned.
                > Look for the public key of Klaus Knopper:
                > bash: Look: command not found
                > bash-5.1$  gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --search-keys "Klaus
                > Knopper"
                
                Hm. Keyservers seem to be a dying species these days. Try
                
                  --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com/
                
                Cheers
                -- 
                t
                
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              • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
                    2023-09-11 16:30               ` tomas
                  @ 2023-09-11 17:21                 ` Jude DaShiell
                    0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
                  From: Jude DaShiell @ 2023-09-11 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
                    To: tomas; +Cc: briangpowell, Christian Thäter, emacs-orgmode
                  
                  Thanks much, that one worked.
                  
                  
                  -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
                  defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
                  order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
                  
                  On Mon, 11 Sep 2023, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
                  
                  > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:52:30AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
                  > > Why does this happen?
                  > >
                  > > The gpg command given in the faq does not return what the faq claims will
                  > > be returned.
                  > > Look for the public key of Klaus Knopper:
                  > > bash: Look: command not found
                  > > bash-5.1$  gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --search-keys "Klaus
                  > > Knopper"
                  >
                  > Hm. Keyservers seem to be a dying species these days. Try
                  >
                  >   --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com/
                  >
                  > Cheers
                  >
                  
                  
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            • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
                2023-09-11 12:27           ` tomas
                2023-09-11 13:52             ` Jude DaShiell
              @ 2023-09-11 14:48             ` Jude DaShiell
                1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
              From: Jude DaShiell @ 2023-09-11 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
                To: tomas; +Cc: briangpowell, Christian Thäter, emacs-orgmode
              
              fenrir-screenreader is installable with pip though you may need some
              support getting it set up and configured.
              
              
              -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
              defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
              order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
              
              On Mon, 11 Sep 2023, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
              
              > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 08:06:34AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
              > > fenrir-screenreader is also available.
              > > https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux
              > > uses fenrir by default.
              > > Klaus Knopper's public key I haven't been able to find and none of his
              > > email addresses seem to be working any longer either for the ones I found.
              >
              > The knoppix signing keys seem to be around here:
              >
              >   http://ftp.knoppix.net/wiki/Downloading_FAQ
              >
              > > You have a chance of getting a good version of knoppix if you download
              > > with a good bittorrent client and make sure your encryption required is
              > > turned on and make sure of integrity checks.
              >
              > Look here:
              >
              >   http://knoppix.net/
              >
              > ...and consider buying a CD (yes, that's still a thing ;-) or a stick
              > to support development.
              >
              > Cheers
              >
              
              
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        • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
            2023-09-11  9:14       ` briangpowell
            2023-09-11 12:06         ` Jude DaShiell
          @ 2023-09-11 12:07         ` Jude DaShiell
            2023-09-11 12:31         ` Jens Lechtenboerger
            2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
          From: Jude DaShiell @ 2023-09-11 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: briangpowell, Christian Thäter; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
          
          espeak-ng is a fork of espeak and can use speechdispatcher.
          
          
          -- 
          Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
          "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
          soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
          Please use in that order."
          Ed Howdershelt 1940.
          
          On Mon, 11 Sep 2023, briangpowell wrote:
          
          > * eSpeak seems to focus on small footprints & a "format synthesis" method
          >
          > * Suggest using Festival with MBrola:
          >
          > https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/mbrola.html
          >
          > https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/
          >
          > and/or just install FestivalLite:
          >
          > apt-get install -f -y --force-yes flite
          >
          > * Note EmacSpeak {mentioned in another email} is written by OrgMode user &
          > programmer TV Raman--not sure EmacSpeak will help you at all; but it might
          > be interesting for you
          >
          > ** Klaus Knopper distributes some very interesting free software that
          > includes an audio-desktop called ADRIANE that maybe you can look at--I'd
          > love to hear what you find out if you do:
          >
          > https://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html
          >
          > ** Knopper invented the "run Linux entirely from a cdrom" craze--which
          > still is very useful in many ways--suggest you give Knoppix & Adriane a look
          >
          > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 4:02 AM Christian Thäter <ct@pipapo.org> wrote:
          >
          > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:39:26 +0200
          > > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> wrote:
          > >
          > > > On 2023-09-10, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
          > > >
          > > > > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
          > > > >
          > > > >> does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
          > > > >> sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
          > > > >> generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open
          > > > >> questions [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.
          > > > >
          > > > > Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
          > > > > users, not presentations. Still,
          > > > > http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html
          > > > > might be a good starting point for TTS options.
          > > >
          > > > Thank you for the suggestion.  With espeak this indeed pronounces
          > > > numbers and abbreviations but its audio quality it not good enough
          > > > for my purposes.  I am looking for (near-) human voices...
          > >
          > > using mbrola is probably as good as possible with free software:
          > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
          > >
          > > still not perfect, but much better than the builtin voices of espeak or
          > > festival (YYMV).
          > >
          > > >
          > > > Best wishes
          > > > Jens
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          
          
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        • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
            2023-09-11  9:14       ` briangpowell
            2023-09-11 12:06         ` Jude DaShiell
            2023-09-11 12:07         ` Jude DaShiell
          @ 2023-09-11 12:31         ` Jens Lechtenboerger
            2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
          From: Jens Lechtenboerger @ 2023-09-11 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: briangpowell; +Cc: Christian Thäter, emacs-orgmode
          
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          Thank you for the additional pointers!  I still need to check out
          promising combinations of those approaches, also options for MBROLA
          (which is not free, but applies a custom AGPL-3.0-but-not-be-sold
          license to the voices).  ADRIANE is certainly fascinating.
          
          Best wishes
          Jens
          
          On 2023-09-11, briangpowell wrote:
          
          > * eSpeak seems to focus on small footprints & a "format synthesis" method
          >
          > * Suggest using Festival with MBrola:
          >
          > https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/mbrola.html
          >
          > https://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/
          >
          > and/or just install FestivalLite:
          >
          > apt-get install -f -y --force-yes flite
          >
          > * Note EmacSpeak {mentioned in another email} is written by OrgMode user &
          > programmer TV Raman--not sure EmacSpeak will help you at all; but it might
          > be interesting for you
          >
          > ** Klaus Knopper distributes some very interesting free software that
          > includes an audio-desktop called ADRIANE that maybe you can look at--I'd
          > love to hear what you find out if you do:
          >
          > https://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html
          >
          > ** Knopper invented the "run Linux entirely from a cdrom" craze--which
          > still is very useful in many ways--suggest you give Knoppix & Adriane a look
          >
          > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 4:02 AM Christian Thäter <ct@pipapo.org> wrote:
          >
          >> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:39:26 +0200
          >> Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> wrote:
          >>
          >> > On 2023-09-10, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
          >> >
          >> > > Jens Lechtenboerger <lechten@wi.uni-muenster.de> writes:
          >> > >
          >> > >> does someone here produce audio via Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org
          >> > >> sources?  I plan to do that in the context of emacs-reveal to
          >> > >> generate voice-over for reveal.js presentations, with open
          >> > >> questions [1] concerning my initial, experimental approach.
          >> > >
          >> > > Emacspeak is a mature Emacs solution for TTS. However, it aims blind
          >> > > users, not presentations. Still,
          >> > > http://tvraman.github.io/emacspeak/manual/Quick-Installation.html
          >> > > might be a good starting point for TTS options.
          >> >
          >> > Thank you for the suggestion.  With espeak this indeed pronounces
          >> > numbers and abbreviations but its audio quality it not good enough
          >> > for my purposes.  I am looking for (near-) human voices...
          >>
          >> using mbrola is probably as good as possible with free software:
          >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
          >>
          >> still not perfect, but much better than the builtin voices of espeak or
          >> festival (YYMV).
          >>
          >> >
          >> > Best wishes
          >> > Jens
          >> >
          >>
          >>
          >>
          
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• * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
    2023-09-09 18:05 Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources? Jens Lechtenboerger
    2023-09-09 21:20 ` briangpowell
    2023-09-10 10:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
  @ 2023-09-28 13:11 ` Jens Lechtenboerger
    2023-09-28 14:16   ` Jude DaShiell
    2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
  From: Jens Lechtenboerger @ 2023-09-28 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: emacs-orgmode
  
  Dear all,
  
  some time ago I asked for suggestions concerning Text-To-Speech
  (TTS) from Org sources.  Thank you to everyone who provided
  suggestions!  In case you are interested, you can listen to sample
  results at [1].
  
  Briefly, Emacspeak, espeak-ng, and festival are not good enough for
  my purposes.  Maybe I'm missing relevant backend options.  IMHO,
  Coqui-AI TTS [2] and Microsoft SpeechT5 [3] are far superior.
  
  Best wishes
  Jens
  
  [1] https://gitlab.com/oer/emacs-reveal/-/wikis/Sample-TTS-results
  [2] https://github.com/coqui-ai/TTS/
  [3] https://huggingface.co/microsoft/speecht5_tts
  
  
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• • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
      2023-09-28 13:11 ` Jens Lechtenboerger
    @ 2023-09-28 14:16   ` Jude DaShiell
      2023-09-29  7:56     ` Jens Lechtenboerger
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
    From: Jude DaShiell @ 2023-09-28 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: Jens Lechtenboerger, emacs-orgmode
    
    espeak-ng likes to have speechdispatcher on a system and festival likes to
    have language-specific voices on it to use.
    fenrir which you didn't mention runs in user land and has no kernel
    dependencies.
    
    
    -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
    defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
    order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
    
    On Thu, 28 Sep 2023, Jens Lechtenboerger wrote:
    
    > Dear all,
    >
    > some time ago I asked for suggestions concerning Text-To-Speech
    > (TTS) from Org sources.  Thank you to everyone who provided
    > suggestions!  In case you are interested, you can listen to sample
    > results at [1].
    >
    > Briefly, Emacspeak, espeak-ng, and festival are not good enough for
    > my purposes.  Maybe I'm missing relevant backend options.  IMHO,
    > Coqui-AI TTS [2] and Microsoft SpeechT5 [3] are far superior.
    >
    > Best wishes
    > Jens
    >
    > [1] https://gitlab.com/oer/emacs-reveal/-/wikis/Sample-TTS-results
    > [2] https://github.com/coqui-ai/TTS/
    > [3] https://huggingface.co/microsoft/speecht5_tts
    >
    >
    
    
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  • • * Re: Suggestions for Text-To-Speech (TTS) from Org sources?
        2023-09-28 14:16   ` Jude DaShiell
      @ 2023-09-29  7:56     ` Jens Lechtenboerger
        0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
      From: Jens Lechtenboerger @ 2023-09-29  7:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Jude DaShiell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
      
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      On 2023-09-28, Jude DaShiell wrote:
      
      > espeak-ng likes to have speechdispatcher on a system
      
      Does this improve the quality of the generated speech?
      
      > and festival likes to have language-specific voices on it to use.
      
      Indeed.  Which one(s) do you recommend?  I tried
      voice_cmu_us_slt_arctic_hts and the mbrola us voices.
      
      > fenrir which you didn't mention runs in user land and has no kernel
      > dependencies.
      
      I briefly tried that but failed.  Also, I was under the impression
      that fenrir does produce speech by itself but relies on some TTS
      implementation like espeak.  Is that wrong?
      
      Best wishes
      Jens
      
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