From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
To: news1142@karl-voit.at
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Assumptions on user's environment (was: [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:43:30 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcAo8uaeTAuES+WE52yEeTDxavAaQ836Cxec7eTb8u8niAo4w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2014-02-09T10-14-47@devnull.Karl-Voit.at>
hi karl,
it is true that there are assumptions about the user's environment.
the strongest is probably qwerty, followed by european language,
english, and common layouts. as a native english speaker, i am aware
that i am fortunate in that regard. i get to use utf-8 without making
my text files larger, unlike some asian speakers, for example.
HOWEVER: my point was not about the user's environment at all. it
applies to whatever environment is chosen for the assumptions.
on qwerty, c is on the lhs. ' is on the rhs. /that/ is why c-c c-'
is more cumbersome for using two hands for modifiers. remember: using
one hand for both modifier and key is never an option.
===
hope that clarifies.
samuel
On 2/9/14, Karl Voit <devnull@karl-voit.at> wrote:
> * Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
>> i meant that c-c c-' and c-c c-" are both cumbersome for those users
>> who press c-c by holding down the control key with the right hand and
>> then pressing c with the left hand. c-c ' is not cumbersome for those
>> users.
>
> Oh, this is a sensitive subject :-)
>
> For example: I am happily removing CAPS LOCK on all of my computers
> and replace it with an additional CTRL key. This way, I am using my
> left pinkie for all kinds of CTRL-combinations. As long as it is not
> combined with [`123q~] or TAB, I am fine.
>
> And: although I am living in a German speaking country, I am using
> US_intl keyboard settings. Most keyboard shortcuts make more sense
> since I switched. Unfortunately, software developers who define
> keyboard shortcuts have either settle for their own keyboard layout
> (mostly en_US) or keyboard shortcuts are part of the i18n layer
> which has also some drawbacks IMHO.
>
> The point is: when you are settling for keyboard shortcuts, you are
> going to do some assumptions on the environment of your users. So:
> what are these assumptions for Emacs/Org-mode? I guess this is the
> root question we should try to answer (and document).
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-09 19:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-07 10:32 [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3 Bastien
2014-02-07 11:34 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-02-07 13:30 ` Bastien
2014-02-07 14:55 ` Michael Brand
2014-02-08 18:13 ` Bastien
2014-02-07 15:56 ` Nick Dokos
2014-02-07 16:44 ` Rasmus
2014-02-08 18:13 ` Bastien
2014-02-07 19:06 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-08 18:13 ` Bastien
2014-02-08 20:40 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-08 20:42 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-08 22:34 ` Bastien
2014-02-08 22:58 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-09 8:01 ` Bastien
2014-02-09 10:26 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-09 9:21 ` Assumptions on user's environment (was: [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3) Karl Voit
2014-02-09 9:51 ` Assumptions on user's environment Bastien
2014-02-09 10:09 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-09 12:29 ` Rasmus
2014-02-09 17:43 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-09 19:43 ` Samuel Wales [this message]
2014-02-09 19:51 ` Bastien
2014-02-09 20:13 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-09 20:27 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-09 21:31 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-10 8:55 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 8:55 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 11:19 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-02-10 19:29 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-12 17:09 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-08 18:13 ` [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3 Bastien
2014-02-10 0:20 ` Thomas S. Dye
2014-02-10 8:40 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 17:27 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-10 23:22 ` terminal emulators (was: Re: Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3) Gregor Zattler
2014-02-11 13:58 ` terminal emulators Brett Viren
2014-02-11 18:35 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-11 20:33 ` Gregor Zattler
2014-02-12 20:18 ` Achim Gratz
2014-03-10 18:07 ` [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3 Greg Troxel
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