From: "Sebastien Vauban" <sva-news-D0wtAvR13HarG/iDocfnWg@public.gmane.org>
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:34:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86r47fnolk.fsf@somewhere.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87eh3f9pss.fsf@bzg.ath.cx
Bastien wrote:
> The purpose is to be polite with minor modes and to not use
> C-c [:punct:] keybindings, as recommended in the Elisp manual.
>
> This is related to the issues reported here:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2014-01/msg00866.html
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/82010
>
> Here is a table to summarise the proposal:
>
> | Key | Command | Proposal | Status |
> |-------+-----------------------------------+------------------+--------|
> | C-c # | Checkboxes | C-c x | Free |
> | C-c ~ | Cooperation | C-c C-~ | Free |
> | C-c , | Priorities | C-c C-, | Free |
> | C-c ? | Editing and debugging formulas | C-c C-? | Free |
> | C-c ! | Creating timestamps | C-c C-! | Free |
> | C-c . | Creating timestamps | C-c C-. | Free |
> | C-c ` | Built-in table editor | C-c C-` | Free |
> |-------+-----------------------------------+------------------+--------|
> | C-c ' | Editing and debugging formulas | C-c " or C-c C-' | Free |
> | C-c ^ | Structure editing, plain lists... | C-c C-^ | Taken |
> | C-c @ | Structure editing | C-c < | Taken |
>
> The order is from the less problematic ones to the more problematic ones.
>
> A few comments on the last three:
>
> - " is not a punctuation character, I find C-c " instead of C-c ' good.
>
> - C-c C-^ is taken by org-up-element. I'm in favor of using C-c C-u
> (currently bound to `outline-up-heading') for `org-up-element'.
> Nicolas suggested C-M-u but I find it convenient to have it when
> editing Elisp code within Org buffers.
>
> - C-c < is bound to `org-date-from-calendar', which inserts the
> current date (or the date from the calendar buffer) at point as
> an active timestamp.
>
> C-c > is bound to `org-goto-calendar' and goes to the calendar,
> going to the date at point if any. This is just a slightly more
> contextual M-x calendar RET.
>
> So the whole suggestion here is:
>
> - in Org-mode, remap calendar to org-goto-calendar and unbind it
> from C-c >
>
> - use C-c > for `org-date-from-calendar'
>
> - use C-c < for selecting the whole subtree, which is consistent
> with the use of `<' as a speedy command for doing the same.
You put the finger on one important note to me: that speed commands are
"the same" as their longer counterpart. It should be good if all of
them could be obtainable by adding "C-c C-" in front of the speed
command.
With that focus in mind, I find `C-c x' not a good one (for checkboxes);
though, in that case, speed commands don't come into play. But I find it
too different from the `C-c C-' construct used for the others?
> Let me know how you feel about such move in general and each rebinding
> in particular. We are not forced to solve them all at once.
Globally, it's fine!
Last remark about `C-c <' which I find not good:
- `<' in used for filtering categories in the agenda,
- semantically, what `C-c @' does is a `C-x h' limited to a subtree;
maybe there could be something inspiring similar to `C-x h'? Maybe
`C-u C-x h'?
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-07 11:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-07 10:32 [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3 Bastien
2014-02-07 11:34 ` Sebastien Vauban [this message]
2014-02-07 13:30 ` Bastien
2014-02-07 14:55 ` Michael Brand
2014-02-08 18:13 ` Bastien
2014-02-07 15:56 ` Nick Dokos
2014-02-07 16:44 ` Rasmus
2014-02-08 18:13 ` Bastien
2014-02-07 19:06 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-08 18:13 ` Bastien
2014-02-08 20:40 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-08 20:42 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-08 22:34 ` Bastien
2014-02-08 22:58 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-09 8:01 ` Bastien
2014-02-09 10:26 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-09 9:21 ` Assumptions on user's environment (was: [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3) Karl Voit
2014-02-09 9:51 ` Assumptions on user's environment Bastien
2014-02-09 10:09 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-09 12:29 ` Rasmus
2014-02-09 17:43 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-09 19:43 ` Assumptions on user's environment (was: [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3) Samuel Wales
2014-02-09 19:51 ` Assumptions on user's environment Bastien
2014-02-09 20:13 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-09 20:27 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-09 21:31 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-10 8:55 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 8:55 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 11:19 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-02-10 19:29 ` Samuel Wales
2014-02-12 17:09 ` Karl Voit
2014-02-08 18:13 ` [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3 Bastien
2014-02-10 0:20 ` Thomas S. Dye
2014-02-10 8:40 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 17:27 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-10 23:22 ` terminal emulators (was: Re: Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3) Gregor Zattler
2014-02-11 13:58 ` terminal emulators Brett Viren
2014-02-11 18:35 ` Achim Gratz
2014-02-11 20:33 ` Gregor Zattler
2014-02-12 20:18 ` Achim Gratz
2014-03-10 18:07 ` [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3 Greg Troxel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-02-09 20:01 Tim O'Callaghan
2014-02-09 22:48 ` Nick Dokos
2014-02-10 8:43 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 9:28 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-02-10 10:21 ` Bastien
2014-02-10 11:18 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-02-11 20:58 ` Bastien
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