Re: Re: Org-mode screencasts

From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de>
To: Richard Moreland <rlm@ncogni.to>
Cc: Shelagh Manton <shelagh.manton@gmail.com>,
	emacs-orgmode Mailinglist <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr>
Subject: Re: Re: Org-mode screencasts
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:17:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A940FDA2-57CE-4A26-BE7E-21158A12E0D3@nf.mpg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E069B2F2-1AB0-4F07-BA0D-BD769EAF5B44@ncogni.to>

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Dear Richard,

great job: great voice and an excellent way to get started! - 

ScreenFlow is probably the best (commercial) choice on the Mac, we also used it for Carsten's presentation at our institute. - One thing about showing the keystrokes: we prefer to use Aquamacs on the Mac (not least because it works out-of-the-box with a German keyboard and the usual Mac shortcuts), here "Meta" usually is the Alt key, another argument for not showing the Mac-specific "Cmd"-key icon.

We now use Org-mode to create personal pages for staff members of our institute, unfortunately, some parts of the documentation still need an English version: http://www.nf.mpg.de/cv-howto/cv-en.html. This example even implements hCard markup, http://www.nf.mpg.de/cv-howto/ex3-en.html (this was triggered by a suggestion from Shelagh Manton on this list). Your screencast has given me some ideas on how to present something on HTML generation with Org-mode as a screencast - maybe we can collaborate on this?

Warm regards,
 Stefan

On 24.09.2010, at 05:34, Richard Moreland wrote:

> Erik, thanks for the reminder about folding.  I had it in my script and must've lost it in one of the edits.  I do prefer making these on the Mac.  It makes piecing them together much easier.  Recordmydesktop on Linux will do single takes fine, but stitching it together in the end may be a chore.  Maybe you guys are good enough to do it all in one take though :)
> 
> John, you raise good points about what we can expect of the viewer.  I'm open to suggestions, in fact maybe a 'Just enough Emacs for Org-mode' intro could help newcomers to Emacs who are here just for Org-mode (like I was a year ago).  Some of these issues could also be addressed on the episode's webpage, which would link to relevant docs and info.
> 
> As far as some of the missing keystrokes, I was trying to find a balance between showing every keystroke (and risk confusing the user), or just show only the keys with modifiers (my 2 options in the tool, unfortunately).
> 
> I've updated the screencast (same URL) to contain a small bit about folding.
> 
> Thanks for the comments, I hope we can refine this and make a plan for more as well.
> 
> -Richard
> 
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Hendy wrote:
> 
>> Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing "screencaster's voice."
>> 
>> My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is that I might not even have known what "meta" was... I can't recall, but did you clarify meta = alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac?
>> 
>> Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and carat symbols are on their own keyboards?
>> 
>> As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said "M-n s" and "M-n w" to narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part of that flash on the screen.
>> 
>> Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut.
>> 
>> 
>> Great work, again.
>> John
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson <eriki@ccbr.umn.edu> wrote:
>> On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote:
>> I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics.  It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode.
>> 
>> http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/
>> 
>> Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them.  I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start.
>> 
>> 
>> Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting.
>> 
>> But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things
>> can be shown.
>> 
>> Great job!
>> 
>> So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the
>> presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one
>> part, do you have to record the whole thing over again?  I assume you can change
>> it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability.
>> 
>> 
>> -Richard
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote:
>> 
>> Richard Moreland<rlm<at>  ncogni.to>  writes:
>> I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to
>> demonstrate Org-mode.
>> 
>> Great idea!  I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts
>> based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing
>> a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal.
>> 
>> I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is
>> http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate.
>> This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded
>> then hosted on their website.
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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