From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stefan Vollmar Subject: Re: Re: Org-mode screencasts Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:17:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C9C12FC.5040503@ccbr.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0860720321==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45868 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OzEiK-0005qd-5a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:17:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OzEiI-0001gG-DP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:17:48 -0400 Received: from mail.nf.mpg.de ([134.107.209.50]:42809) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OzEiH-0001g3-Tz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:17:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (p5df03030.dip.t-dialin.net [93.240.48.48]) by mail.nf.mpg.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.03 (built Apr 24 2009; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0L9900G58PV7WC00@mail.nf.mpg.de> for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:21:08 +0200 (MEST) In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Richard Moreland Cc: Shelagh Manton , emacs-orgmode Mailinglist , Bastien --===============0860720321== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-79--37900977; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail-79--37900977 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Richard, great job: great voice and an excellent way to get started! -=20 ScreenFlow is probably the best (commercial) choice on the Mac, we also = used it for Carsten's presentation at our institute. - One thing about = showing the keystrokes: we prefer to use Aquamacs on the Mac (not least = because it works out-of-the-box with a German keyboard and the usual Mac = shortcuts), here "Meta" usually is the Alt key, another argument for not = showing the Mac-specific "Cmd"-key icon. We now use Org-mode to create personal pages for staff members of our = institute, unfortunately, some parts of the documentation still need an = English version: http://www.nf.mpg.de/cv-howto/cv-en.html. This example = even implements hCard markup, http://www.nf.mpg.de/cv-howto/ex3-en.html = (this was triggered by a suggestion from Shelagh Manton on this list). = Your screencast has given me some ideas on how to present something on = HTML generation with Org-mode as a screencast - maybe we can collaborate = on this? Warm regards, Stefan On 24.09.2010, at 05:34, Richard Moreland wrote: > Erik, thanks for the reminder about folding. I had it in my script = and must've lost it in one of the edits. I do prefer making these on = the Mac. It makes piecing them together much easier. Recordmydesktop = on Linux will do single takes fine, but stitching it together in the end = may be a chore. Maybe you guys are good enough to do it all in one take = though :) >=20 > John, you raise good points about what we can expect of the viewer. = I'm open to suggestions, in fact maybe a 'Just enough Emacs for = Org-mode' intro could help newcomers to Emacs who are here just for = Org-mode (like I was a year ago). Some of these issues could also be = addressed on the episode's webpage, which would link to relevant docs = and info. >=20 > As far as some of the missing keystrokes, I was trying to find a = balance between showing every keystroke (and risk confusing the user), = or just show only the keys with modifiers (my 2 options in the tool, = unfortunately). >=20 > I've updated the screencast (same URL) to contain a small bit about = folding. >=20 > Thanks for the comments, I hope we can refine this and make a plan for = more as well. >=20 > -Richard >=20 > On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Hendy wrote: >=20 >> Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing = "screencaster's voice." >>=20 >> My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about = org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only = got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is = that I might not even have known what "meta" was... I can't recall, but = did you clarify meta =3D alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac? >>=20 >> Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done = on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and = carat symbols are on their own keyboards? >>=20 >> As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + = left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show = up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said "M-n s" and "M-n w" to = narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part = of that flash on the screen. >>=20 >> Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could = use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his = computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut. >>=20 >>=20 >> Great work, again. >> John >>=20 >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson = wrote: >> On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: >> I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing = the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think = it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the = basics of Org-mode. >>=20 >> http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ >>=20 >> Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, = but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. = I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes = covering special topics would be a good start. >>=20 >>=20 >> Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. >>=20 >> But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting = things >> can be shown. >>=20 >> Great job! >>=20 >> So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice = into the >> presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording = in one >> part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you = can change >> it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. >>=20 >>=20 >> -Richard >>=20 >> On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: >>=20 >> Richard Moreland ncogni.to> writes: >> I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to >> demonstrate Org-mode. >>=20 >> Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts >> based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing >> a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. >>=20 >> I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is >> http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. >> This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded >> then hosted on their website. >>=20 >> Charles >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --=20 Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. 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