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From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
To: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Cc: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The fate of ditaa.jar (9.4.5.)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 11:41:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zgx0gug3.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM9PR09MB4977D3FD673827BD932BA48D96529@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>

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Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:

> I don't think that would be the case. Java is considered unsafe software
> so I wouldn't rely on older versions being pre-installed and avialable everywhere.

Java is not considered unsafe software — not any more than any
interpreted language. What’s unsafe are Java applets, but those are not
what ditaa uses.

>> I would bundle the old version to keep old documents working (I do not
>> want org-mode to be volatile software[1] that breaks existing documents
>> with an update), but notify the user that a new version exists.
>
> Since you already have Java and ditaa installed on your computer, your
> older documents won't get broken. 

I have Java, but not ditaa, because Java is packaged in my distribution
and ditaa is not. My build pipelines use ditaa as shipped with org-mode.

Different from plantuml, there is no ditaa-runner to install as
application.

So unbundling ditaa breaks my documents when updating org-mode. The same
for everyone else who used a standard ditaa-setup with org-mode.

> By the way, how difficult is to download one file from the internet
> (ditaa.jar) if you are an user?

That’s not the point. The point is that every single user with a ditaa
block has to do it.

Ask the other way round: What is the benefit of removing ditaa from org?
If you want to force most current org-ditaa users to unbreak their setup
after update, there should be a significant tangible benefit.

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
Unpolitisch sein
heißt politisch sein
ohne es zu merken

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-12  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-10 11:28 Jarmo Hurri
2021-05-10 11:50 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-05-10 12:28 ` Russell Adams
2021-05-10 17:07   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-10 20:49     ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-11  1:22       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11 18:56         ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-11 20:53           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-12  8:44             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-12  9:41               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide [this message]
2021-05-12 14:51                 ` Russell Adams
2021-05-13 12:44                 ` Jarmo Hurri
2021-05-13 14:06                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-13 20:08                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-14  1:13                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-14  5:30                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-14  5:39                           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-14 11:23                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-14 11:57                               ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-10 18:41 ` Nick Dokos
2021-05-11  1:25   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11  4:33   ` Tim Cross
2021-05-11  6:35     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-11  6:53       ` he " Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11  8:36       ` The " Tim Cross
2021-05-11 12:52         ` TEC
2021-05-11 19:15           ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-12  0:06           ` Tim Cross
2021-05-12  8:47             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-15 17:31           ` [External] : " Daniel Ortmann
2021-05-11 19:02       ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-16 12:19 ` Bastien

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