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From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
Cc: Jarmo Hurri <jarmo.hurri@iki.fi>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The fate of ditaa.jar (9.4.5.)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 03:13:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM9PR09MB497785636C87AFE02DE2194C96509@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o8degzwr.fsf@web.de> (Arne Babenhauserheide's message of "Thu,  13 May 2021 22:08:20 +0200")

"Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de> writes:

> Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:
>
>> Jarmo Hurri <jarmo.hurri@iki.fi> writes:
>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de> writes:
>>>
>>>> Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> By the way, how difficult is to download one file from the internet
>>>>> (ditaa.jar) if you are an user?
>>>>
>>>> That’s not the point. The point is that every single user with a ditaa
>>>> block has to do it.
>>>>
>>>> Ask the other way round: What is the benefit of removing ditaa from
>>>> org?  If you want to force most current org-ditaa users to unbreak
>>>> their setup after update, there should be a significant tangible
>>>> benefit.
>>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> One thing I like about org is that most things work out of the box.
>>
>> If bundled ditaa is not compatible with jre installed on users
>> computer, or there is no jre installed, and user is not a programmer or
>> used to Java, how many steps it adds to such a user to sort out why org
>> does not work for him/her "out of the box"? Just to save some experienced
>> user an extra step, that probably does not even affect them since they
>> already have java and ditaa on their computers.
>
> The difference is not about the difference between experienced or
> beginner. The difference is that „use your package manager to get Java“
> or „get openjdk“ is an operation that only uses standard installation
> processes.
>
> „Get this jar-file from somewhere and drop it somewhere and then change
> this configuration to point to it“ is not a standard installation
> action.
>
> If Java is missing, org can simply report „no java found, please install
> openjdk from <linux: your package manager | windows/macos:
> https://adoptopenjdk.net/installation.html>“ and the user can install it
> like any other software.
So can org also say: "ditaa is missing, please install from the link
... " :-)

> This is not the case with ditaa. Ditaa is no standard application with
> installer/setup/…, but a jar-file.

Exactly, so it is enough to just download a single file and point your
org to it with one `setq' in your init file. So it does not need a
pacakge managmenet on os level.

However, Org could also simply say: use another distro that has ditaa in
it's repository, such as Arch Linuz (in AUR).



  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-14  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-10 11:28 Jarmo Hurri
2021-05-10 11:50 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-05-10 12:28 ` Russell Adams
2021-05-10 17:07   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-10 20:49     ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-11  1:22       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11 18:56         ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-11 20:53           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-12  8:44             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-12  9:41               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-12 14:51                 ` Russell Adams
2021-05-13 12:44                 ` Jarmo Hurri
2021-05-13 14:06                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-13 20:08                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-14  1:13                       ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2021-05-14  5:30                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-14  5:39                           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-14 11:23                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-14 11:57                               ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-10 18:41 ` Nick Dokos
2021-05-11  1:25   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11  4:33   ` Tim Cross
2021-05-11  6:35     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-11  6:53       ` he " Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11  8:36       ` The " Tim Cross
2021-05-11 12:52         ` TEC
2021-05-11 19:15           ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-12  0:06           ` Tim Cross
2021-05-12  8:47             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-15 17:31           ` [External] : " Daniel Ortmann
2021-05-11 19:02       ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-16 12:19 ` Bastien

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