emacs-orgmode@gnu.org archives
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
Cc: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The fate of ditaa.jar (9.4.5.)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 20:56:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM9PR09MB49771EBA5C1F40E5468774E296539@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-4cc10d70-2589-44d0-ad69-dd6c59a4cdd5-1620696144763@3c-app-mailcom-bs03> (Christopher Dimech's message of "Tue, 11 May 2021 03:22:24 +0200")

Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> writes:

> If org-mode wants to support ditaa, it is a requirement to inform the user how to
> get the software and install it.  Moving into into a separate repository without
> appropriately telling the user introduces the problem that users will miss out
> on free software that they would otherwise have used.  Using org should not be made 
> more difficult than it already is. 
>   
Another problem I didn't mention in previous replay, is that user can
have wrong (outdated) version of Java installed on his/her machine which
might not be compatible with ditaa version org mode ships, which may
introduce further questions and problems. IMO I think it is better to
leave out 3rd party applications and let users install those on their
own. 

>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 8:49 AM
>> From: "Arthur Miller" <arthur.miller@live.com>
>> To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
>> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: The fate of ditaa.jar (9.4.5.)
>>
>> "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de> writes:
>> 
>> > Russell Adams <RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.Com> writes:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 02:28:57PM +0300, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
>> >>> I pulled the latest master and noticed that contrib has been moved into
>> >>> a separate repository. I also cloned this contrib repository, but can
>> >>> not find the file
>> >>>
>> >>> scripts/ditaa.jar
>> >>>
>> >>> in the repo. In fact, there is no directory scripts in the repo.
>> >>
>> >> I actually never considered this might be packaged with Org. I always
>> >> thought I had to install it separately, like my Latex distribution or
>> >> PlantUML.
>> >
>> > Bundling this makes ditaa code blocks just work. Otherwise they won’t
>> > work on every org-install.
>> 
>> The user still needs a Java runtime installed on his/her compute, so
>> bundling ditaa.jar gives no guarantee at all that ditaa blocks will just
>> work on every org-install.
>> 
>> Instead a less informaed user, not used to run java programs, might be
>> left with a not working application that fails silently or to the user
>> incomprehensible error message.
>> 
>> Better to point user to ditaa's sources/releases and inform it is
>> optional with org. That way non-informed user will have to install java
>> and ditaa and will at least have an idea where to look when things go wrong.
>> 
>>


  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-11 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-10 11:28 Jarmo Hurri
2021-05-10 11:50 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-05-10 12:28 ` Russell Adams
2021-05-10 17:07   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-10 20:49     ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-11  1:22       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11 18:56         ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2021-05-11 20:53           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-12  8:44             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-12  9:41               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-12 14:51                 ` Russell Adams
2021-05-13 12:44                 ` Jarmo Hurri
2021-05-13 14:06                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-13 20:08                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-14  1:13                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-14  5:30                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-14  5:39                           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-14 11:23                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-14 11:57                               ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-10 18:41 ` Nick Dokos
2021-05-11  1:25   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11  4:33   ` Tim Cross
2021-05-11  6:35     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-11  6:53       ` he " Christopher Dimech
2021-05-11  8:36       ` The " Tim Cross
2021-05-11 12:52         ` TEC
2021-05-11 19:15           ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-12  0:06           ` Tim Cross
2021-05-12  8:47             ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-15 17:31           ` [External] : " Daniel Ortmann
2021-05-11 19:02       ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-16 12:19 ` Bastien

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.orgmode.org/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=AM9PR09MB49771EBA5C1F40E5468774E296539@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com \
    --to=arthur.miller@live.com \
    --cc=arne_bab@web.de \
    --cc=dimech@gmx.com \
    --cc=emacs-orgmode@gnu.org \
    --subject='Re: The fate of ditaa.jar (9.4.5.)' \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link

Code repositories for project(s) associated with this inbox:

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).