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From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Citation syntax: a revised proposal
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:19:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mw4bpaiu.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ioezooi2.fsf@berkeley.edu> (Richard Lawrence's message of "Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:03:01 -0800")

Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes:

> Actually, your post has convinced me that it may be worth allowing some
> explicit name for a type in the [cite: ...] part of the syntax, although
> I am still leery about what this would mean for non-LaTeX backends.

Each back-end can decide to use it or simply ignore it. Also [cite:...]
should be equivalent to [cite:default: ...], for some value of "default"
decided by the target back-end.

> I did not appreciate before that switching from one type to another is
> something you probably want to be able to do really easily, like with
> query-replace, even if you are making use of the other parts of the
> syntax to express distinctions like in-text vs. parenthetical
> citations.
>
> So, two questions for the group:
>
> 1) Is it worth allowing a name for a user-defined type in the [cite: ...]
> part, or is it OK to confine user-defined types to the second part
> (like: [cite: ...] %%(:type foo) or [cite: ...]{:type foo})?

Expecting subtype in the header doesn't add a limitation to pre or post
text.

Moreover [cite: ...]{...} syntax really makes sense if it is the
equivalent to #+attr_... keywords, so we can generalize it to links. As
a consequence, {...} should include a reference to back-end. E.g.,

  [cite:...]{latex :color pink}

> 2) If a user-defined type can go in the [cite: ...] part, where should
> it go?  Nicolas has suggested:
>
>   [cite:subtype ...]
>
> or 
>
>   [cite:subtype: ...]
>
> I would personally (aesthetically, don't ask me why) prefer:
>
>   [cite/subtype: ...]
>
> or
>
>   [cite|subtype: ...]
>
> But maybe there are other options I haven't thought of.

I'm fine with any of these, although the latter looks less nice to me.


Regards,

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-15  2:29 Citation syntax: a revised proposal Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15  2:45 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15  3:57 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-15 16:40   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15 19:43     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-16  3:34       ` Matt Price
2015-02-16  8:56         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-16  9:57         ` Rasmus
2015-02-17 17:18       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-17 18:11         ` Rasmus
2015-02-18  0:44           ` Matt Price
2015-02-18  3:38           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-18  2:24         ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-18  4:03           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-18  9:00             ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-18 10:11             ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-18 14:19             ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2015-02-18 16:38               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-18 18:44                 ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-18 18:46                   ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-18 20:54                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-18 21:21                     ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-18 21:24                     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-18 19:42                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-18 20:47                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-18 22:43                     ` Rasmus
2015-02-18 22:35                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-19 17:06                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-20  0:10                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-20 16:44                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-20 19:45                         ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-20 20:01                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-20 22:33                             ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-21 11:58                               ` Rasmus
2015-02-21 17:25                                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-27  0:56                                 ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-27  8:55                                   ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-27  9:56                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-21  3:12                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-21 12:00                             ` Rasmus
2015-02-21 20:19                             ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-21 20:36                             ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-25 13:59                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-25 16:57                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-25 22:37                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-26  5:10                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-01 20:35                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-01 21:31                                   ` Rasmus
2015-03-02  0:24                                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02  8:57                                       ` Eric S Fraga
2015-03-02  1:37                                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02  9:23                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 19:11                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 20:15                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-03  3:14                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  5:33                                         ` Avram Lyon
2015-03-03 17:27                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03 17:56                                             ` Avram Lyon
2015-03-04 16:41                                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  9:24                                         ` Rasmus
2015-03-03  9:39                                           ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 14:12                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 18:50                                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-02 20:14                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 20:34                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 22:17                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 22:33                                           ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 22:45                                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 23:05                                               ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 23:27                                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 23:42                                                   ` Rasmus
2015-03-03  2:48                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  8:43                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03 16:59                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-04  0:43                                           ` Matt Price
2015-03-08  0:16                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03 14:23                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 18:54                                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 20:26                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03  2:53                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  8:38                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03  9:13                                           ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 16:12                                             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03 14:25                                       ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 20:53                                     ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 14:57                                       ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-03 15:41                                         ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 15:58                                           ` Ken Mankoff
2015-03-03 16:08                                             ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 17:13                                         ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-10  3:44                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-10  9:49                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-11  1:51                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-11  6:04                                           ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-10 16:31                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-11  2:21                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-11 17:33                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-13 18:13                                             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-17  5:15                                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-17  9:27                                                 ` Andreas Leha
2015-03-17 16:26                                                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-17 20:42                                                     ` Andreas Leha
2015-03-17 21:34                                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-18  1:12                                                     ` Matt Price
2015-03-18 15:19                                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-25 18:08                           ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-26 21:30                             ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-26 23:50                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-27  8:49                               ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-27 16:35                                 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-27 10:09                               ` Rasmus
2015-03-02  5:48                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02 12:22                                 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 13:53                                   ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02 19:02                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-20  5:27                     ` Melanie Bacou
2015-02-20 16:49                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-24  7:08         ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-02-25  4:29           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-25  5:57             ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-02-15 11:17 ` Tory S. Anderson
2015-02-15 11:57 ` Rasmus
2015-02-15 17:05   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-16  8:53     ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 17:52       ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-15 17:23   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-09 10:40     ` Sebastien Vauban
2015-03-09 10:50       ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-02-15 17:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 17:37   ` Rasmus
2015-02-15 17:55     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 19:30     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-15 18:07   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15 18:25     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 19:05       ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-15 19:18         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 19:38           ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-15 20:13             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 20:23               ` Rasmus
2015-02-16  9:07               ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 16:59               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-16 17:43                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-16 18:39                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-16 19:16                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-16 19:40                       ` Rasmus
2015-02-15 20:49 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 16:18   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-16 18:21     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 12:05 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-16 13:10   ` William Denton
2015-02-16 13:42   ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 16:19     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-16 17:28       ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 18:49         ` Rasmus
2015-02-16 19:16           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-23  7:26       ` Vaidheeswaran
2015-02-16 16:35     ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-02-16 17:56       ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 18:24         ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 18:39           ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-02-16 19:19         ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-02-17  6:47           ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 16:45   ` Richard Lawrence

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