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From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Citation syntax: a revised proposal
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:43:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874mqliwg5.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <873865rdwm.fsf@berkeley.edu> (Richard Lawrence's message of "Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:59:05 -0800")

Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes:

> I am OK with this if it is important, though I am a little hesitant.

I don't know if it is important. Just thinking out loud.

> In the last thread, you expressed concern that we not have too much
> variation after the opening `[' for performance reasons, which is why I
> kept all the (non-simple) citations to `[cite: ...]'.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Variations after the opening "[" are OK as long
as they are contained in a _fixed_ set. Of course, the smaller the set
the better.

However, a customizable "cite" keyword (à la `org-add-link-type') is
a no-go. If this is really needed, I already suggested

  [cite:subtype: ...]

where "subtype" can be associated to any number of attributes, at user's
discretion.

> Unless you have changed your mind, I assume this means we should try not
> to have very many options for this position.  Expressing capitalization
> here would mean there are now four options, two of which are devoted to
> expressing capitalization.  Is capitalization important enough to
> introduce the complexity for it at *this* crucial syntactic position?

Again, I don't know if capitalization is important enough, but the added
complexity in this case is negligible. Anyhow, I am not wedded to the
idea.

> If we're trying to keep the number of variants after `[' low, we should
> think carefully about what is important enough to go there.  (I think
> parenthetical vs. in-text does meet that bar, but I am not sure
> special-case capitalization does.)

OK.

> Aesthetically, this feels a little *too* much like BibLaTeX to me.

I didn't know BibLaTeX used it at the time I suggested the idea.
I didn't know BibLaTeX was deemed as aesthetically wrong either (why is
it so?).


Regards,

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-16 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-15  2:29 Citation syntax: a revised proposal Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15  2:45 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15  3:57 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-15 16:40   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15 19:43     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-16  3:34       ` Matt Price
2015-02-16  8:56         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-16  9:57         ` Rasmus
2015-02-17 17:18       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-17 18:11         ` Rasmus
2015-02-18  0:44           ` Matt Price
2015-02-18  3:38           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-18  2:24         ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-18  4:03           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-18  9:00             ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-18 10:11             ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-18 14:19             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-18 16:38               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-18 18:44                 ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-18 18:46                   ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-18 20:54                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-18 21:21                     ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-18 21:24                     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-18 19:42                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-18 20:47                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-18 22:43                     ` Rasmus
2015-02-18 22:35                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-19 17:06                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-20  0:10                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-20 16:44                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-20 19:45                         ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-20 20:01                           ` Rasmus
2015-02-20 22:33                             ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-21 11:58                               ` Rasmus
2015-02-21 17:25                                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-27  0:56                                 ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-27  8:55                                   ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-27  9:56                                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-21  3:12                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-21 12:00                             ` Rasmus
2015-02-21 20:19                             ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-21 20:36                             ` Samuel Wales
2015-02-25 13:59                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-25 16:57                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-25 22:37                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-26  5:10                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-01 20:35                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-01 21:31                                   ` Rasmus
2015-03-02  0:24                                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02  8:57                                       ` Eric S Fraga
2015-03-02  1:37                                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02  9:23                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 19:11                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 20:15                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-03  3:14                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  5:33                                         ` Avram Lyon
2015-03-03 17:27                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03 17:56                                             ` Avram Lyon
2015-03-04 16:41                                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  9:24                                         ` Rasmus
2015-03-03  9:39                                           ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 14:12                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 18:50                                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-02 20:14                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 20:34                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 22:17                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 22:33                                           ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 22:45                                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 23:05                                               ` Rasmus
2015-03-02 23:27                                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-02 23:42                                                   ` Rasmus
2015-03-03  2:48                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  8:43                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03 16:59                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-04  0:43                                           ` Matt Price
2015-03-08  0:16                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03 14:23                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 18:54                                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 20:26                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03  2:53                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03  8:38                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-03  9:13                                           ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 16:12                                             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-03 14:25                                       ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 20:53                                     ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 14:57                                       ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-03 15:41                                         ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 15:58                                           ` Ken Mankoff
2015-03-03 16:08                                             ` Rasmus
2015-03-03 17:13                                         ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-10  3:44                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-10  9:49                                       ` Rasmus
2015-03-11  1:51                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-11  6:04                                           ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-10 16:31                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-11  2:21                                         ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-11 17:33                                           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-13 18:13                                             ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-17  5:15                                               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-17  9:27                                                 ` Andreas Leha
2015-03-17 16:26                                                   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-17 20:42                                                     ` Andreas Leha
2015-03-17 21:34                                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-18  1:12                                                     ` Matt Price
2015-03-18 15:19                                                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-25 18:08                           ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-26 21:30                             ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-26 23:50                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-27  8:49                               ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-27 16:35                                 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-27 10:09                               ` Rasmus
2015-03-02  5:48                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02 12:22                                 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-03-02 13:53                                   ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-02 19:02                                     ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-20  5:27                     ` Melanie Bacou
2015-02-20 16:49                       ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-24  7:08         ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-02-25  4:29           ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-25  5:57             ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-02-15 11:17 ` Tory S. Anderson
2015-02-15 11:57 ` Rasmus
2015-02-15 17:05   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-16  8:53     ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 17:52       ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-15 17:23   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-03-09 10:40     ` Sebastien Vauban
2015-03-09 10:50       ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-02-15 17:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 17:37   ` Rasmus
2015-02-15 17:55     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 19:30     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-15 18:07   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-15 18:25     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 19:05       ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-15 19:18         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 19:38           ` Aaron Ecay
2015-02-15 20:13             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-15 20:23               ` Rasmus
2015-02-16  9:07               ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 16:59               ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-16 17:43                 ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2015-02-16 18:39                   ` Rasmus
2015-02-16 19:16                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-02-16 19:40                       ` Rasmus
2015-02-15 20:49 ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 16:18   ` Richard Lawrence
2015-02-16 18:21     ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 12:05 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-02-16 13:10   ` William Denton
2015-02-16 13:42   ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 16:19     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-16 17:28       ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 18:49         ` Rasmus
2015-02-16 19:16           ` John Kitchin
2015-02-23  7:26       ` Vaidheeswaran
2015-02-16 16:35     ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-02-16 17:56       ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 18:24         ` John Kitchin
2015-02-16 18:39           ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-02-16 19:19         ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-02-17  6:47           ` Stefan Nobis
2015-02-16 16:45   ` Richard Lawrence

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