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* Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
@ 2017-12-15  3:18 edgar
  2017-12-15 12:21 ` Eric S Fraga
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From: edgar @ 2017-12-15  3:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:28:46 +0000
> Subject: Re: [O] Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
> I am sympathetic to these views but unfortunately it's not always
> possible.  My university, for instance, requires me to prepare exam
> scripts in DOC (hence my related email a few minutes ago... my yearly
> task of preparing scripts is upon me).  I hate it but I have no choice.
> 

I'm on the same boat: when your advisor "kindly" asks you to write 
everything in DOC{,X}. But it's a boat that is sinking, and let's hope 
sooner than later.

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• * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
    2017-12-15  3:18 Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX edgar
  @ 2017-12-15 12:21 ` Eric S Fraga
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  From: Eric S Fraga @ 2017-12-15 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: edgar; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
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  On Friday, 15 Dec 2017 at 03:18, edgar@openmail.cc wrote:
  > I'm on the same boat: when your advisor "kindly" asks you to write
  > everything in DOC{,X}. But it's a boat that is sinking, and let's hope
  > sooner than later.
  
  Funnily enough, at least I can require my PhD students to write in LaTeX
  (usually via LyX initially but sometimes even emacs+org).  Initially,
  some are quite unhappy and even more so when I say absolutely no to any
  PowerPoint (they have to use beamer instead).
  
  Later, however, they actually come and thank me for having made them use
  LaTeX when they see what some of their colleagues have to go through in
  preparing their final PhD thesis in Word... (with references, equations,
  especially equations, etc.)
  
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* Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
@ 2017-12-13 19:50 Melleus
  2017-12-14  9:06 ` Julian M. Burgos
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Melleus @ 2017-12-13 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


I used to think that I can export from org to bunch of different
formats. But all of a sudden when I need this feature I see that I can
export only to LaTeX. But when I try exporting to other format I get

Wrong type argument: stringp, nil   error message.

When there's no bibtex references or exporting to LaTeX everything just
works.

How can I troubleshoot the situation and possibly find the clue? I
couldn't find any documentation on the exporting references issues on
Worg unfortunately.

My environment: Gentoo with stable keyword, Emacs 25.3.1, Org 9.1.4.

Thanks ahead of time.

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• * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
    2017-12-13 19:50 Melleus
  @ 2017-12-14  9:06 ` Julian M. Burgos
    2017-12-14  9:29   ` Alan Schmitt
    2017-12-14 12:11   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
    0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
  From: Julian M. Burgos @ 2017-12-14  9:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Melleus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  I do not think there is an out-of-the-box way to export a bibliography
  directly from org-mode to formats other than LaTex.  What I usually do
  is export to Tex and then use Pandoc (https://pandoc.org/) to convert that document to other
  formats, usually Word so I can share my work with my colleagues.  Pandoc
  can read the bibtex file and add the right citations, doing something
  like this:
  
  pandoc --bibliography /path/to/my_bib_file.bib my_document.docx my_document.tex
  
  There is also the ox-pandoc package, that allows you to export directly
  from org using pandoc.  I have not tried yet (it is in my to-do list).
  
  https://github.com/kawabata/ox-pandoc
  
  Julian
  
  Melleus writes:
  
  > I used to think that I can export from org to bunch of different
  > formats. But all of a sudden when I need this feature I see that I can
  > export only to LaTeX. But when I try exporting to other format I get
  >
  > Wrong type argument: stringp, nil   error message.
  >
  > When there's no bibtex references or exporting to LaTeX everything just
  > works.
  >
  > How can I troubleshoot the situation and possibly find the clue? I
  > couldn't find any documentation on the exporting references issues on
  > Worg unfortunately.
  >
  > My environment: Gentoo with stable keyword, Emacs 25.3.1, Org 9.1.4.
  >
  > Thanks ahead of time.
  
  
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• • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
      2017-12-14  9:06 ` Julian M. Burgos
    @ 2017-12-14  9:29   ` Alan Schmitt
      2017-12-15 11:27     ` Melleus
      2017-12-14 12:11   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
      1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
    From: Alan Schmitt @ 2017-12-14  9:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: Julian M. Burgos; +Cc: Melleus, emacs-orgmode
    
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    Hello,
    
    org-ref (https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref) has some bibliography
    support for html (and looking back at it for plain text, although I
    never tried it).
    
    Best,
    
    Alan
    
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  • • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
        2017-12-14  9:29   ` Alan Schmitt
      @ 2017-12-15 11:27     ` Melleus
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      From: Melleus @ 2017-12-15 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: emacs-orgmode
      
      Thank you, Alan,
      
      I also thought that org-ref is an easy way out. But it didn't work for
      me out of the box (for html and txt export) unfortunately. And it is a
      pretty good piece of software anyway, I must admit. Which I would miss
      if I didn't run into this issue with exporting.
      
      Regards,
      Anatoly.
      
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  • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
      2017-12-14  9:06 ` Julian M. Burgos
      2017-12-14  9:29   ` Alan Schmitt
    @ 2017-12-14 12:11   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
      2017-12-14 12:28     ` Eric S Fraga
      1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
    From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2017-12-14 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: emacs-orgmode
    
    Indeed, Pandoc is a way out ;)
    
    I just would advise against converting from LaTeX to Word DOC.
    
    I'd say stick to LaTeX and PDF.
    
    This is important because: just like PDF, DOC (and also DOCX and
    ODF-family) is sometimes binary file, but beyond that: DOC is not
    standardized, and one can't edit a DOC in plain text editor, this makes
    it difficult to read version differences for a given file (although it
    can be used in revision/version controlled spaces, it still makes it
    difficult for a human reviewer to read the differences).
    
    Relying on these formats such as DOC and DOCX only serve to
    make people more dependent on the non-free software behind these.
    
    Finally, if writting collaboratively with someone else, either send them
    the Org or LaTeX file anyways, or if they are reviewing the changes: either
    make use of a revision/version control system, send them only the diffs
    that come from the revision/version control system you're using, or send
    them the HTML output of `diffoscope' comparing a PDF of a previous
    version with the PDF of the new version.
    
    For more information on the current caveats of using `diffoscope' with
    PDF files, see my reply in [1].
    
    [1] <https://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/2017-December/083507.html>.
    
    2017-12-14T09:06:19+0000 Julian M. Burgos wrote:
    > I do not think there is an out-of-the-box way to export a bibliography
    > directly from org-mode to formats other than LaTex.  What I usually do
    > is export to Tex and then use Pandoc (https://pandoc.org/) to convert
    > that document to other
    > formats, usually Word so I can share my work with my colleagues.  Pandoc
    > can read the bibtex file and add the right citations, doing something
    > like this:
    >
    > pandoc --bibliography /path/to/my_bib_file.bib my_document.docx my_document.tex
    >
    > There is also the ox-pandoc package, that allows you to export directly
    > from org using pandoc.  I have not tried yet (it is in my to-do list).
    >
    > https://github.com/kawabata/ox-pandoc
    >
    > Julian
    
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  • • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
        2017-12-14 12:11   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
      @ 2017-12-14 12:28     ` Eric S Fraga
        2017-12-14 16:09       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
        2017-12-15 11:46       ` Melleus
        0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
      From: Eric S Fraga @ 2017-12-14 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
      
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      On Thursday, 14 Dec 2017 at 10:11, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
      > Indeed, Pandoc is a way out ;)
      >
      > I just would advise against converting from LaTeX to Word DOC.
      
      [...]
      
      > Relying on these formats such as DOC and DOCX only serve to
      > make people more dependent on the non-free software behind these.
      
      I am sympathetic to these views but unfortunately it's not always
      possible.  My university, for instance, requires me to prepare exam
      scripts in DOC (hence my related email a few minutes ago... my yearly
      task of preparing scripts is upon me).  I hate it but I have no choice.
      
      -- 
      Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.1.3-168-g7455f4
      
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    • • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
          2017-12-14 12:28     ` Eric S Fraga
        @ 2017-12-14 16:09       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
          2017-12-15 12:15         ` Eric S Fraga
          2017-12-15 11:46       ` Melleus
          1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
        From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2017-12-14 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: emacs-orgmode
        
        Interesting...
        
        Is this really a requirement? Did you actually asked which formats they
        support? Perhaps with careful negotiation, you might come up with good
        outcomes. For example: support for sending your work as PDF, TXT or
        HTML.
        
        In the case of HTML, you can use any of these to convert your LaTeX file
        to HTML:
        
        a) htlatex "File.tex"; although I don't know if this one will do
        multiple runs automatically.
        
        b) make4ht "File.tex"; if I'm not mistaken, this last method automates
        the various runs of mk4ht; or lastly
        
        c) pass "htlatex" as the LaTeX command (`-latex=' option) in `latexmk',
        see the texdoc for `latexmk' and for `htlatex' to know what to put in
        the `-latex=' option.
        
        2017-12-14T12:28:46+0000 Eric S Fraga wrote:
        > [...]
        >
        >
        > I am sympathetic to these views but unfortunately it's not always
        > possible.  My university, for instance, requires me to prepare exam
        > scripts in DOC (hence my related email a few minutes ago... my yearly
        > task of preparing scripts is upon me).  I hate it but I have no choice.
        
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      • • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
            2017-12-14 16:09       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
          @ 2017-12-15 12:15         ` Eric S Fraga
            0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
          From: Eric S Fraga @ 2017-12-15 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
          
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          On Thursday, 14 Dec 2017 at 14:09, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
          > Interesting...
          >
          > Is this really a requirement? Did you actually asked which formats they
          > support? Perhaps with careful negotiation, you might come up with good
          > outcomes. For example: support for sending your work as PDF, TXT or
          > HTML.
          
          yeah, believe me, I have tried.  It's been an on-going battle for years
          now.  I finally gave up arguing.  Tilting at windmills can finally get
          tiring.
          
          For some parts of the bureaucracy, only Microsoft products exist.  As a
          computer scientist by birth (;-)), the lack of progress dismays me but
          there you are.
          
          Thanks in any case!
          
          eric
          
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      • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
          2017-12-14 12:28     ` Eric S Fraga
          2017-12-14 16:09       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
        @ 2017-12-15 11:46       ` Melleus
          2017-12-15 21:43         ` Tim Cross
          2017-12-28 21:18         ` Melleus
          1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
        From: Melleus @ 2017-12-15 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: emacs-orgmode
        
        Eric S Fraga <esflists@gmail.com> writes:
        
        > On Thursday, 14 Dec 2017 at 10:11, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
        >> Indeed, Pandoc is a way out ;)
        >>
        >> I just would advise against converting from LaTeX to Word DOC.
        >
        > [...]
        >
        >> Relying on these formats such as DOC and DOCX only serve to
        >> make people more dependent on the non-free software behind these.
        >
        > I am sympathetic to these views but unfortunately it's not always
        > possible.  My university, for instance, requires me to prepare exam
        > scripts in DOC (hence my related email a few minutes ago... my yearly
        > task of preparing scripts is upon me).  I hate it but I have no choice.
        
        Yes, to take the choise away from customer is very powerful business
        strategy. And a very destructive one either, as many bright minds are
        wasted on creating products that could not compete if not only those
        artificial "standards" supported not by logical reasoning, but by
        interests of the most powerful players.
        
        So I need to adopt DOC/DOCX in my workflow somehow. It is required by my
        university and by my publishers also.
        
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      • • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
            2017-12-15 11:46       ` Melleus
          @ 2017-12-15 21:43         ` Tim Cross
            2017-12-16 20:54           ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
            2017-12-17 13:07           ` Eric S Fraga
            2017-12-28 21:18         ` Melleus
            1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
          From: Tim Cross @ 2017-12-15 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: Melleus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
          
          
          The saddest part of this message is the last line about your publishers
          also requiring word doc! A long time since I had to deal with
          publishers, but at least they use to require Latex (albeit often with
          weird *.sty files!).
          
          After 17 years working in an 'admin' area of a University, I got to the
          end of my tether and resigned 3 weeks ago. A big part of this was due to
          the extent the administrative arm is now dictating direction and a
          feeling the tail is now wagging the dog. Too much of what is being
          required is based on making the administration 'efficient' rather than
          focusing on making teaching, learning and research effective.
          
          Good news is 7 days after finishing, I got a new position within a
          research centre where my role is 100% technical, I'm free to use
          whatever 'tool' I want provided I produce the final outcome i.e. good
          looking presentations and documents (all org and Latex!) and solid
          technical solutions.
          
          Like others who have replied, Pandoc was my 'goto' solution for dealing
          with administration. It is an incredibly powerful tool and worth some
          time investment IMO.
          
          Tim
          
          Melleus <melleus@openmailbox.org> writes:
          
          > Eric S Fraga <esflists@gmail.com> writes:
          >
          >> On Thursday, 14 Dec 2017 at 10:11, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
          >>> Indeed, Pandoc is a way out ;)
          >>>
          >>> I just would advise against converting from LaTeX to Word DOC.
          >>
          >> [...]
          >>
          >>> Relying on these formats such as DOC and DOCX only serve to
          >>> make people more dependent on the non-free software behind these.
          >>
          >> I am sympathetic to these views but unfortunately it's not always
          >> possible.  My university, for instance, requires me to prepare exam
          >> scripts in DOC (hence my related email a few minutes ago... my yearly
          >> task of preparing scripts is upon me).  I hate it but I have no choice.
          >
          > Yes, to take the choise away from customer is very powerful business
          > strategy. And a very destructive one either, as many bright minds are
          > wasted on creating products that could not compete if not only those
          > artificial "standards" supported not by logical reasoning, but by
          > interests of the most powerful players.
          >
          > So I need to adopt DOC/DOCX in my workflow somehow. It is required by my
          > university and by my publishers also.
          
          
          -- 
          Tim Cross
          
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        • • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
              2017-12-15 21:43         ` Tim Cross
            @ 2017-12-16 20:54           ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
              2017-12-17 13:07           ` Eric S Fraga
              1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
            From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2017-12-16 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
              To: emacs-orgmode
            
            This serves as good argumentation:
            
            For all of those reading this and which have other people making demands
            such as "you must use this (non-free) software", please remind these
            people that what matters is the content, not the tool in this case.
            
            Besides, if they really want to go the "efficiency" route, they should
            just accept plain text files since these are lightweight. ;)
            
            2017-12-16T08:43:06+1100 Tim Cross wrote:
            > The saddest part of this message is the last line about your publishers
            > also requiring word doc! A long time since I had to deal with
            > publishers, but at least they use to require Latex (albeit often with
            > weird *.sty files!).
            >
            > After 17 years working in an 'admin' area of a University, I got to the
            > end of my tether and resigned 3 weeks ago. A big part of this was due to
            > the extent the administrative arm is now dictating direction and a
            > feeling the tail is now wagging the dog. Too much of what is being
            > required is based on making the administration 'efficient' rather than
            > focusing on making teaching, learning and research effective.
            >
            > Good news is 7 days after finishing, I got a new position within a
            > research centre where my role is 100% technical, I'm free to use
            > whatever 'tool' I want provided I produce the final outcome i.e. good
            > looking presentations and documents (all org and Latex!) and solid
            > technical solutions.
            >
            > Like others who have replied, Pandoc was my 'goto' solution for dealing
            > with administration. It is an incredibly powerful tool and worth some
            > time investment IMO.
            >
            > Tim
            
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          • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
              2017-12-15 21:43         ` Tim Cross
              2017-12-16 20:54           ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
            @ 2017-12-17 13:07           ` Eric S Fraga
              1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
            From: Eric S Fraga @ 2017-12-17 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
              To: Tim Cross; +Cc: Melleus, emacs-orgmode
            
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            On Saturday, 16 Dec 2017 at 08:43, Tim Cross wrote:
            > Good news is 7 days after finishing, I got a new position within a
            > research centre where my role is 100% technical, I'm free to use
            > whatever 'tool' I want provided I produce the final outcome i.e. good
            > looking presentations and documents (all org and Latex!) and solid
            > technical solutions.
            
            Excellent!  And as it should be.
            
            At least, for me, it's only once a year that I have to put up with the
            tail wagging the dog...  rest of the year, all my outputs are
            org->LaTeX->PDF.
            
            -- 
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        • * Re: Can export the files with bibliography only to LaTeX
            2017-12-15 11:46       ` Melleus
            2017-12-15 21:43         ` Tim Cross
          @ 2017-12-28 21:18         ` Melleus
            1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
          From: Melleus @ 2017-12-28 21:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: emacs-orgmode
          
          Accidentally I've found that until there are no "Online" type of
          references Org exports both to text and html. When there is at least one
          "Online" reference, I got "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil" error. I
          don't know whether this is a bug or some misconfiguration. But might
          someone will check out if this is reproducible. One-liner with
          cite:cite-to-online-kind-source is enough for my system to get the
          error.
          
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