* Sending org-mode nodes @ 2009-11-18 16:46 lukasz.stelmach 2009-11-19 8:43 ` David Maus 2009-11-19 17:26 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: lukasz.stelmach @ 2009-11-18 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hello. I've just made a note which I would like to send (with its attachment) via email. Is it possible? I mean, I would like to select a node (C-c @) and then few keystrokes more and have the letter sent or at least opened in a mail composing window with the subject set to the title of the note, attachments attached and waiting for me to choose an addressee. -- Best regards, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-18 16:46 Sending org-mode nodes lukasz.stelmach @ 2009-11-19 8:43 ` David Maus 2009-11-19 10:20 ` lukasz.stelmach 2009-11-19 17:26 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David Maus @ 2009-11-19 8:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lukasz.stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Lukasz, At Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:46:43 +0100, lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl wrote: > I've just made a note which I would like to send (with its attachment) > via email. Is it possible? I mean, I would like to select a node (C-c @) > and then few keystrokes more and have the letter sent or at least opened > in a mail composing window with the subject set to the title of the > note, attachments attached and waiting for me to choose an addressee. It *should* be possible but as far as I am aware of there's currently no implementation for this. As Orgmode does not depend on any particular email program this would require a particular function for every supported mail program. I.e. a function that executes the right things to let the mail program compose a new mail. Hum. As I tend to write important mails first below a corresponding todo headline, than copy'n'paste it such functionality could be useful. I suppose the first thing to do is brewing a function that scrapes all relevant information (i.e.: subject, content, attachments) and returns a property list that can be used by mua specific functions to call the mua and instruct it to create the mail. What about: - Subject: current entries headline without todo keyword and tags - Body: the entries content up to the next headline w/o drawers and schedule/deadline - Attachments: full path to the entry's attachments Regards, -- David -- OpenPGP... 0x316F4BE4670716FD Jabber.... dmjena@jabber.org Email..... maus.david@gmail.com ICQ....... 241051416 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 8:43 ` David Maus @ 2009-11-19 10:20 ` lukasz.stelmach 2009-11-19 11:12 ` Sebastian Rose 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: lukasz.stelmach @ 2009-11-19 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes: > At Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:46:43 +0100, > lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl wrote: >> I've just made a note which I would like to send (with its attachment) >> via email. Is it possible? I mean, I would like to select a node (C-c @) >> and then few keystrokes more and have the letter sent or at least opened >> in a mail composing window with the subject set to the title of the >> note, attachments attached and waiting for me to choose an addressee. > > It *should* be possible but as far as I am aware of there's currently > no implementation for this. As Orgmode does not depend on any > particular email program this would require a particular function for > every supported mail program. I.e. a function that executes the right > things to let the mail program compose a new mail. I suppuse that by writing "program" you mean Emacs' compose-mail, gnus etc. External handler of course, would be useful too. > Hum. As I tend to write important mails first below a corresponding > todo headline, than copy'n'paste it such functionality could be > useful. > > I suppose the first thing to do is brewing a function that scrapes all > relevant information (i.e.: subject, content, attachments) and returns > a property list that can be used by mua specific functions to call the > mua and instruct it to create the mail. > > What about: > > - Subject: current entries headline without todo keyword and tags OK, however, inclusion of todo and/or tags should be optional and possible for those who would like to exchange those information with one another. Converting those to iCal attachment is yet another issue. > - Body: the entries content up to the next headline w/o drawers and > schedule/deadline Fine but the above note applies. > - Attachments: full path to the entry's attachments That's right and in case of compose-mail/gnus and whatever else a letter with files attached should appear. Later at home I thought about it some more: - The To, Cc and Bcc headers read from :PROPERTIES: or collected with minibuffer. - Sent-To field in the PROPERTIES drawer filed after sending mail. This might require collecting addresses from within org-mode before invoking mail program (the above). - Move the list from Sent-To to Old-Sent-To everytime the node or its child or its attachment changes (this might be quite difficult to implement but awesome to have) - Custom mail headers to include in the PROPERTIES drawer. Something like :PROPERTIES: :MailHeader-X-Face: l;aksjdf;ioavh9p8qrty9 :END would result in X-Face: in the mail. X-Face, however, would probably be configured with a mua but I am sure someone will find it useful. - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for associating replies with original notes/nodes. These are of course my whishful thoughts, especially the one with Old-Sent-To. I think, however, that org-mode with them implemented would be even greater tool than it is today. -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 10:20 ` lukasz.stelmach @ 2009-11-19 11:12 ` Sebastian Rose 2009-11-19 13:56 ` lukasz.stelmach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-19 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lukasz.stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: > David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes: //....// > - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for > associating replies with original notes/nodes. In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. > These are of course my whishful thoughts, especially the one with > Old-Sent-To. I think, however, that org-mode with them implemented would > be even greater tool than it is today. I believe it's not implemented, because it's easy to just C-c @ C-x m Enter addresses (bbdb helps a lot here) DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN C-y evtl. edit the contents C-c C-C There's simply no need to implement it for Gnus users. Emacs+Org+bbdb+Gnus implement it already. Sebastian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 11:12 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-19 13:56 ` lukasz.stelmach 2009-11-19 14:51 ` Sebastian Rose 2009-11-19 15:23 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: lukasz.stelmach @ 2009-11-19 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: > lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: >> David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes: > //....// >> - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for >> associating replies with original notes/nodes. > > > In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same > message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain > email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. > > Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. I've written *derived* which means org-<ID>-<current-time>-<user-mail-address> also fits. Right? >> These are of course my whishful thoughts, especially the one with >> Old-Sent-To. I think, however, that org-mode with them implemented would >> be even greater tool than it is today. > > > I believe it's not implemented, because it's easy to just > > C-c @ > C-x m > Enter addresses (bbdb helps a lot here) > DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN > C-y > evtl. edit the contents > C-c C-C Which only proves that it is possible to do it automatically. > There's simply no need to implement it for Gnus users. > Emacs+Org+bbdb+Gnus implement it already. How about attachments? How, at least, to get their full paths into kill ring? Wether we like it or *not* some things can't be done in pure text/plain. Putting a headline as a subject (with or without tags) makes it even better as well as stripping any drawers (leading stars?). From the very beginning I assumed there is a way of doing what I need just right now but I described some enhancements that make work even less troublesome. Imagine: C-c C-x m (org-send-node e.g.) C-c C-c would be possible for a well prepared node (bbdb link stored as a property). What makes nodesending even more appealing to me is that I can have my emails (at least some of them) well organized with org (and git) and attached to other things I do. -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 13:56 ` lukasz.stelmach @ 2009-11-19 14:51 ` Sebastian Rose 2009-11-19 15:54 ` Bernt Hansen 2009-11-19 17:03 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2009-11-19 15:23 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-19 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lukasz.stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: > Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >> lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: >>> David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes: >> //....// >>> - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for >>> associating replies with original notes/nodes. >> >> >> In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same >> message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain >> email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. >> >> Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. > > I've written *derived* which means > org-<ID>-<current-time>-<user-mail-address> also fits. Right? Not sure. I only remember bad things with self generated message-IDs. But I never tried it myself. Reading the RFCs will help. [...] >> I believe it's not implemented, because it's easy to just >> >> C-c @ >> C-x m >> Enter addresses (bbdb helps a lot here) >> DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN >> C-y >> evtl. edit the contents >> C-c C-C > > Which only proves that it is possible to do it automatically. Yes, sorry, I don't want to stop anyone from doing it :) >> There's simply no need to implement it for Gnus users. >> Emacs+Org+bbdb+Gnus implement it already. > > How about attachments? How, at least, to get their full paths into kill > ring? Wether we like it or *not* some things can't be done in pure > text/plain. > > Putting a headline as a subject (with or without tags) makes it even > better as well as stripping any drawers (leading stars?). From the very > beginning I assumed there is a way of doing what I need just right now > but I described some enhancements that make work even less > troublesome. Imagine: > > C-c C-x m (org-send-node e.g.) > C-c C-c > > would be possible for a well prepared node (bbdb link stored as a > property). What makes nodesending even more appealing to me is that I > can have my emails (at least some of them) well organized with org (and > git) and attached to other things I do. Well, if you often resend a node, it makes absolutely sense, I guess. I always write my mails from scratch. But, on the other hand, I could imagine an Org-file with email templates like that. E.g. for mailing to certain groups of people. Best wishes Sebastian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 14:51 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-19 15:54 ` Bernt Hansen 2009-11-19 16:50 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2009-11-19 17:03 ` Łukasz Stelmach 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2009-11-19 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastian Rose; +Cc: lukasz.stelmach, emacs-orgmode Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: > Well, if you often resend a node, it makes absolutely sense, I guess. > > I always write my mails from scratch. But, on the other hand, I could > imagine an Org-file with email templates like that. E.g. for mailing to > certain groups of people. Wrap your email (including headers) in a #+begin_src message ... #+end_src and C-c ' to get to message mode, C-c C-s to send, and C-c ' to get out. -Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 15:54 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2009-11-19 16:50 ` Łukasz Stelmach 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2009-11-19 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes: > Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >> Well, if you often resend a node, it makes absolutely sense, I guess. >> >> I always write my mails from scratch. But, on the other hand, I could >> imagine an Org-file with email templates like that. E.g. for mailing to >> certain groups of people. > > Wrap your email (including headers) in a > > #+begin_src message > ... > #+end_src > > and C-c ' to get to message mode, C-c C-s to send, and C-c ' to get out. This doesn't seem to be much less elaborate then the C-@ C-y way and since you don't copy the text you can't cope with drawers and tags. -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 14:51 ` Sebastian Rose 2009-11-19 15:54 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2009-11-19 17:03 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2009-11-19 18:22 ` Sebastian Rose 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2009-11-19 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: > lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: >> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >>> lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: >>>> David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes: >>> //....// >>>> - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for >>>> associating replies with original notes/nodes. >>> >>> >>> In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same >>> message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain >>> email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. >>> >>> Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. >> >> I've written *derived* which means >> org-<ID>-<current-time>-<user-mail-address> also fits. Right? > > Not sure. I only remember bad things with self generated > message-IDs. But I never tried it myself. Reading the RFCs will help. RFC 2822 The "Message-ID:" field provides a unique message identifier that refers to a particular version of a particular message. The uniqueness of the message identifier is guaranteed by the host that generates it (see below). (...) a good method is to put the domain name (or a domain literal IP address) of the host on which the message identifier was created on the right hand side of the "@", and put a combination of the current absolute date and time along with some other currently unique (perhaps sequential) identifier available on the system (for example, a process id number) on the left hand side. [...] > Well, if you often resend a node, it makes absolutely sense, I guess. I've rather thought about preparing an email with org-mode. Making notes, introducing a structure, think: wrinting a report. > I always write my mails from scratch. But, on the other hand, I could > imagine an Org-file with email templates like that. E.g. for mailing to > certain groups of people. This brings another option. Copy the whole node with its children into a message buffer and then run some code to make it look like it should (drawers, leading stars, attachments, tables etc.) -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 17:03 ` Łukasz Stelmach @ 2009-11-19 18:22 ` Sebastian Rose 2009-11-20 13:35 ` Łukasz Stelmach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-19 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl (Łukasz Stelmach) writes: >> lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: >>> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >>>> lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: >>>>> David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes: >>>> //....// >>>>> - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for >>>>> associating replies with original notes/nodes. >>>> >>>> >>>> In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same >>>> message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain >>>> email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. >>>> >>>> Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. >>> >>> I've written *derived* which means >>> org-<ID>-<current-time>-<user-mail-address> also fits. Right? >> >> Not sure. I only remember bad things with self generated >> message-IDs. But I never tried it myself. Reading the RFCs will help. > > RFC 2822 > The "Message-ID:" field provides a unique message identifier that > refers to a particular version of a particular message. The > uniqueness of the message identifier is guaranteed by the host that > generates it (see below). (...) a good method is to put the > domain name (or a domain literal IP address) of the host on which the > message identifier was created on the right hand side of the "@", and > put a combination of the current absolute date and time along with > some other currently unique (perhaps sequential) identifier available > on the system (for example, a process id number) on the left hand > side. Still, not sure. From what I read about message IDs, they are to be produced by mail servers - not email clients. If my provider (gmx) receives my outgoing mail, it deletes the Message-ID and generates a new one. They do not want Humpdy Dumpdy to send mails with their own Message-ID, because there's a risk: it might not be world-wide unique. I would do that, too. I cannot set the Message-ID in mailers like Gnus, Evolution, Outlook, Thunderbird. If I'm wrong, I'd be interested in a way to that - so I could try it myself. Sebastian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 18:22 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-20 13:35 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2009-11-20 22:38 ` Sebastian Rose 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2009-11-20 13:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: > lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl (Łukasz Stelmach) writes: >> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes: >>> Not sure. I only remember bad things with self generated >>> message-IDs. But I never tried it myself. Reading the RFCs will help. >> >> RFC 2822 >> The "Message-ID:" field provides a unique message identifier that >> refers to a particular version of a particular message. The >> uniqueness of the message identifier is guaranteed by the host that >> generates it (see below). (...) > > Still, not sure. From what I read about message IDs, they are to be > produced by mail servers - not email clients. Take a look at this for example: http://www2.gnu-pascal.de/crystal/gpc/en/raw-mail13179.html This is a message created with Pine for Linux (look at Message-ID) > If my provider (gmx) receives my outgoing mail, it deletes the > Message-ID and generates a new one. They do not want Humpdy Dumpdy to > send mails with their own Message-ID, because there's a risk: it might > not be world-wide unique. I would do that, too. This is wrong. They should do it if the message lacks it but it's not thier problem if it's not unique. They pass the message and forget about it. As far as I know no MTA even logs Message-ID. > I cannot set the Message-ID in mailers like Gnus, Evolution, Outlook, > Thunderbird. *You* can't do it which doesn't mean your MUA doesn't do it behind the scenes. You can do it with mutt. When you edit with headers and put Message-ID you get it sent. > If I'm wrong, I'd be interested in a way to that - so I could try it > myself. I'm giving Gnus a try now the message id of this post should be <3291978dbeaae3c6ed3b832cce64e3b1-B@dasa3> I've just put the header above the --text follows this line-- -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-20 13:35 ` Łukasz Stelmach @ 2009-11-20 22:38 ` Sebastian Rose 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-20 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl (Łukasz Stelmach) writes: >> I cannot set the Message-ID in mailers like Gnus, Evolution, Outlook, >> Thunderbird. > > *You* can't do it which doesn't mean your MUA doesn't do it behind the > scenes. You can do it with mutt. When you edit with headers and put > Message-ID you get it sent. Well, look at all those message-IDs on this list or in other folders of your mailbox. They all have message-IDs, assigned from mail servers (but see below). >> If I'm wrong, I'd be interested in a way to that - so I could try it >> myself. > > I'm giving Gnus a try now the message id of this post should be > <3291978dbeaae3c6ed3b832cce64e3b1-B@dasa3> > I've just put the header above the --text follows this line-- Yeaaah, it has: Message-ID: <3291978dbeaae3c6ed3b832cce64e3b1-B@dasa3> OK, convinced :-D Thanks! I won't deter you anymore from programming the sending of Org-nodes any longer (and next time I have a question concerning postfix or sendmail... ;) Best wishes Sebastian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-19 13:56 ` lukasz.stelmach 2009-11-19 14:51 ` Sebastian Rose @ 2009-11-19 15:23 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2009-11-19 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lukasz.stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: > Wether we like it or *not* some things can't be done in pure > text/plain. Along these lines, I would be interested to have the ability to send html mail exported from an org-mode node. I often want to share tables with unfortunate souls who use non-fixed-width font email clients which are better at displaying html then text. -- Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Sending org-mode nodes 2009-11-18 16:46 Sending org-mode nodes lukasz.stelmach 2009-11-19 8:43 ` David Maus @ 2009-11-19 17:26 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2009-11-19 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lukasz.stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: > Hello. > > I've just made a note which I would like to send (with its attachment) > via email. Is it possible? I mean, I would like to select a node (C-c @) > and then few keystrokes more and have the letter sent or at least opened > in a mail composing window with the subject set to the title of the > note, attachments attached and waiting for me to choose an addressee. Perhaps rather than pushing the actual mail sending into an org-mode function this could be handled as a new export target. Something like org-export-as-email or org-export-as-html-mail, which could export the org-mode buffer (or narrowed subtree -- read "node") to a message buffer from which it could be easily sent. Such an export function could be the appropriate place to handle attachments, html conversion, etc... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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