Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[Laurent Hoeltgen]

Hi,

I noticed today, that there are two apps for org-mode on android, namely 
MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG.

Is there any significant difference between them in terms of 
functionality and stability? Is any of them to be recommended over the 
other one?

So far, I've been using MobileOrg and it worked for me.

Regards,
Laurent

Re: Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[Moritz Ulrich]

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Laurent Hoeltgen writes:

> Hi,
>
> I noticed today, that there are two apps for org-mode on android, namely 
> MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG.
>
> Is there any significant difference between them in terms of 
> functionality and stability? Is any of them to be recommended over the 
> other one?

As far as I know, MobileOrg is the original implementation where NG was
forked from. When I started using org-mobile, I used the NG version, but
switched to the 'original' version where development is more active.

However, I really prefer the NG user interface over normal MobileOrg's.
It feels more modern and better integrated to Android 4.0. (Though it's not
perfect)

I'd really like to improve the look of MobileOrg itself, but I really
can't get myself to program in java.

> So far, I've been using MobileOrg and it worked for me.
>
> Regards,
> Laurent


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Moritz Ulrich

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Re: Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[Robert Eckl]

Laurent Hoeltgen writes:

> I noticed today, that there are two apps for org-mode on android, 
> namely MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG.
>
> Is there any significant difference between them in terms of 
> functionality and stability? Is any of them to be recommended over the 
> other one?

MobileOrg has some useful features more than MobileOrgNG, for example
sync with calendar (IIRC google or telephone) at least Org to calendar. 

Here you find a short opinion to the difference:
http://sachachua.com/blog/0000/00/06/ 

In past IIRC MobileOrg does not provide to see the entries of the different
org-files, only the agenda and TODO-List was visible.

If i Push the org-files under Windows with MobileOrg the different
org-files are not synced, but with MobileOrgNG they are. If i push the
org-files under Mac OS, the org-files are synced even with MobileOrg.  

I'm mostly using MobileOrgNG with the disadvantage, that the content of Drawers
on Android are not visible. 

You can play with both and decide later, whats your favorite.

Cu,
Robert

Re: Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[Henning Weiss]

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Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Robert Eckl <eckl.robert@arcor.de> wrote:
>
> If i Push the org-files under Windows with MobileOrg the different
> org-files are not synced, but with MobileOrgNG they are. If i push the
> org-files under Mac OS, the org-files are synced even with MobileOrg.
>

This sounds like a known bug with org-mode on Windows, as it does not
generate a complete checksum file. See the discussion
here<https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/issues/201>.
It seems that changing from sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe for the generation of
the checksum file fixes that issue.

Henning

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Re: Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[eckl.robert]

Henning Weiss wrote:

>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Robert Eckl wrote:

>> If i Push the org-files under Windows with MobileOrg the different
>> org-files are not synced, but with MobileOrgNG they are. If i push the
>> org-files under Mac OS, the org-files are synced even with MobileOrg. 

> This sounds like a known bug with org-mode on Windows, as it does not
> generate a complete checksum file. See the discussion here. It seems
> that changing from sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe for the generation of the
> checksum file fixes that issue. 

Thank you very much for the hint. Changing sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe did
not change anything for me, but changing from Gnuwin sha1sum/md5sum to
the one from ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe seems to fix
the issue for me.

I hope, other issues are fixed too. Sometimes org-mobile-push crashes
because of IIRC unexpected hashes. If I remove the related
agenda-file(s), do the push, and then add the files to the agenda-files
the push sometimes is succesfull. I have no idea, how to fix it.

Cu,
Robert

Re: Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[Henning Weiss]

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Hi,

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:53 AM, <eckl.robert@arcor.de> wrote:

> Henning Weiss wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Robert Eckl wrote:
>
> >> If i Push the org-files under Windows with MobileOrg the different
> >> org-files are not synced, but with MobileOrgNG they are. If i push the
> >> org-files under Mac OS, the org-files are synced even with MobileOrg.
>
> > This sounds like a known bug with org-mode on Windows, as it does not
> > generate a complete checksum file. See the discussion here. It seems
> > that changing from sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe for the generation of the
> > checksum file fixes that issue.
>
> Thank you very much for the hint. Changing sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe did
> not change anything for me, but changing from Gnuwin sha1sum/md5sum to
> the one from ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe seems to fix
> the issue for me.
>

Does that mean that the default checksum generation utility of cygwin that
is used by org-mode is broken? Will upgrading cygwin to a newer version fix
this, or did you need to change your setup?


> I hope, other issues are fixed too. Sometimes org-mobile-push crashes
> because of IIRC unexpected hashes. If I remove the related
> agenda-file(s), do the push, and then add the files to the agenda-files
> the push sometimes is succesfull. I have no idea, how to fix it.
>

Could you try to produce a minimal setup that produces this problem? I'm
sure more people on windows have this problem. I would at least like to
post a workaround for this issue on the mobileorg-android web page.

Henning

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Re: Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[Robert Eckl]

Hi, 

Henning Weiss wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:53 AM, <eckl.robert@arcor.de> wrote:
> Henning Weiss wrote:
>
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Robert Eckl wrote:
>
>>> If i Push the org-files under Windows with MobileOrg the different
>>> org-files are not synced, but with MobileOrgNG they are. If i push
>>> the org-files under Mac OS, the org-files are synced even with
>>> MobileOrg.
>
>> This sounds like a known bug with org-mode on Windows, as it does not
>> generate a complete checksum file. See the discussion here. It seems
>> that changing from sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe for the generation of the
>> checksum file fixes that issue.
> Thank you very much for the hint. Changing sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe did
> not change anything for me, but changing from Gnuwin sha1sum/md5sum to
> the one from ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe seems to fix
> the issue for me.
>
> Does that mean that the default checksum generation utility of cygwin
> that is used by org-mode is broken? 

I don't think so.
> Will upgrading cygwin to a newer
> version fix this, or did you need to change your setup?

I'm using an emacs version from http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/.
At first there were no md5sum binary found. So i installed the coreutils
(and diffutils) from gnuwin32. Seems that these utils don't work
fine with emacs.

> I hope, other issues are fixed too. Sometimes org-mobile-push crashes
> because of IIRC unexpected hashes. If I remove the related
> agenda-file(s), do the push, and then add the files to the agenda-files
> the push sometimes is succesfull. I have no idea, how to fix it.
>
> Could you try to produce a minimal setup that produces this problem? I'm
> sure more people on windows have this problem. I would at least like to
> post a workaround for this issue on the mobileorg-android web page.
>
I can try this, but seems to be difficult, because removing the file
from the agende-file-list and adding it another time sometimes solves
the issue.

Invoking C-c C-x RET p from one file which begins with
# Time-stamp: "2012-09-27 Do 01:17:19 (re)"
#+LAST_MOBILE_CHANGE: 2012-03-12 21:40:01
#TAGS: PHONE(p) URGENT(u) MAIL(e) Anwesenheit (a) Musik (m) Orgel (o) Cello (i)

I got an error, then I deleted line 2  
#+LAST_MOBILE_CHANGE: 2012-03-1221:40:01
the error no more occured.

After this i copied the line in another agenda-file from wich invoking
org-mobile-push does not result in an error.

The error did not occur with this changed file.
Then I copied the line in the first file and started org-mobile-push:

The error didn't occur further. So i am confused.

I'll play with this, but i think this will take much time. 

Do you speak german? Im thinking, you can better understand me, if i
could write in german.

Thanks,

Robert

Re: Differences between MobileOrg and MobileOrgNG

[Henning Weiss]

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Hi,

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Robert Eckl <eckl.robert@arcor.de> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Henning Weiss wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:53 AM, <eckl.robert@arcor.de> wrote:
> > Henning Weiss wrote:
> >
> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Robert Eckl wrote:
> >
> >>> If i Push the org-files under Windows with MobileOrg the different
> >>> org-files are not synced, but with MobileOrgNG they are. If i push
> >>> the org-files under Mac OS, the org-files are synced even with
> >>> MobileOrg.
> >
> >> This sounds like a known bug with org-mode on Windows, as it does not
> >> generate a complete checksum file. See the discussion here. It seems
> >> that changing from sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe for the generation of the
> >> checksum file fixes that issue.
> > Thank you very much for the hint. Changing sha1sum.exe to md5sum.exe did
> > not change anything for me, but changing from Gnuwin sha1sum/md5sum to
> > the one from ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe seems to fix
> > the issue for me.
> >
> > Does that mean that the default checksum generation utility of cygwin
> > that is used by org-mode is broken?
>
> I don't think so.
> > Will upgrading cygwin to a newer
> > version fix this, or did you need to change your setup?
>
> I'm using an emacs version from http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/.
> At first there were no md5sum binary found. So i installed the coreutils
> (and diffutils) from gnuwin32. Seems that these utils don't work
> fine with emacs.
>
> > I hope, other issues are fixed too. Sometimes org-mobile-push crashes
> > because of IIRC unexpected hashes. If I remove the related
> > agenda-file(s), do the push, and then add the files to the agenda-files
> > the push sometimes is succesfull. I have no idea, how to fix it.
> >
> > Could you try to produce a minimal setup that produces this problem? I'm
> > sure more people on windows have this problem. I would at least like to
> > post a workaround for this issue on the mobileorg-android web page.
> >
> I can try this, but seems to be difficult, because removing the file
> from the agende-file-list and adding it another time sometimes solves
> the issue.
>
> Invoking C-c C-x RET p from one file which begins with
> # Time-stamp: "2012-09-27 Do 01:17:19 (re)"
> #+LAST_MOBILE_CHANGE: 2012-03-12 21:40:01
> #TAGS: PHONE(p) URGENT(u) MAIL(e) Anwesenheit (a) Musik (m) Orgel (o)
> Cello (i)
>
> I got an error, then I deleted line 2
> #+LAST_MOBILE_CHANGE: 2012-03-1221:40:01
> the error no more occured.
>
> After this i copied the line in another agenda-file from wich invoking
> org-mobile-push does not result in an error.
>
> The error did not occur with this changed file.
> Then I copied the line in the first file and started org-mobile-push:
>
> The error didn't occur further. So i am confused.
>

Please always wipe your entire org-mobile directory before testing a new
checksum tool. Otherwise it might be hard to reproduce. I found another
thread you might find useful
here<https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/issues/246#issuecomment-7164849>
.


> Do you speak german? Im thinking, you can better understand me, if i
> could write in german.
>

 Ja, ich spreche Deutsch :)

Henning

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